Today’s daft claim: “Black Hole discovered in Quran” …. Nope. 16


download (19)A Muslim has posted the following claim that is currently doing the rounds at the moment … (I’ve had to truncate the text a bit, it is too long to post it all) …

THE SCIENTIFIC MIRACLES OF THE QURAN : BLACK HOLES

… the verse below may also be pointing to this scientific discovery about black holes:

When the stars are extinguished, (Qur’an, 77:8)

Moreover, stars of great mass also cause warps to be perceived in space. Black holes, however, do not just cause warps in space but also tear holes in it. That is why these collapsed stars are known as black holes. This fact may be referred to in the verse about stars, and this is another important item of information demonstrating that the Qur’an is the Word of Allah:

[I swear] by Heaven and the Tariq! And what will convey to you what the Tariq is? The Star Piercing [the darkness]! (Qur’an, 86:1-3)

Sigh! … what can one say. It is of course the usual stuff, pluck some vague poetical phrase out of context, massage the words a bit, then crowbar in a claim about it describing modern science.

Was this an original claim? Nope, not at all, it came from here, the guy who posted the text simply cut and pasted (as usual) without any thought. Did he truly think it would impress? perhaps. Well, things have changed, no longer can individuals be conned so easily, If, for example, I key in “Quran black hole debunk”, the first hit is this YouTube rebuttal … (it is part of a  collection that debunks many of these “Miracles in the Quran” claims) …

It took me 30 seconds (or less) to find this debunking, and there are many other rebuttals out there, it is not alone.

What is clear is that the Internet is now very much becoming the marketplace for ideas and beliefs, stuff that would have been previously unchallenged is now robustly debunked, all you need is just one or two clicks and you have the answer, so when challenged with stuff like this, go and search to see what the other side is saying and become familiar with the full conversation.

So where does the claim from and who is it being propagated by?

Many of these modern variations of “Modern Science in the Quran” claims that I see cut and pasted come from individuals such as Harun Yahya (real name is Adnan Oktar) – also known as Adnan Hodja (Preacher Adnan) and, to his followers, Adnan Agabey (Big Brother Adnan). What is truly weird about his stuff is the cherry picking. We face claims that modern science is in the Quran, but at the same time we are advised that the parts of modern science that conflict with the belief are rejected, evolution for example. So who exactly is this guy?

If all this stuff has indeed been robustly debunked, then why does it persist? Mr Oktar will carry on because it is e$$entially a license to print money, and has made him very wealthy $elling the books and tapes to the guillable. As for the believers, the term that perhaps best describes it is “Confirmation Bias“, they have been successfully conned, in a world where previously cherished ideas are being challenged there is a rising tide of religious insecurity, hence the market for stuff like this that apparently confirms the original belief, and permits little things such as reality to be happily ignored. It is perhaps a worrying trend, and illustrates how some are retreating away from modern science back into religious dogma.

An interesting quote from Richard Dawkins on all this is found here …

After I give lectures, I am often approached by honest and sincere young Muslims who have been deluded into believing that important ideas of modern science were anticipated in the Koran or by Muslim ‘scholars’. I always ask them for examples, and the ones they produce are always pathetic testaments to the power of wishful thinking. – Richard Dawkins


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16 thoughts on “Today’s daft claim: “Black Hole discovered in Quran” …. Nope.

  • Egghead

    Wait, so yo’ve debunked are claims made by a man who claims something from the Quran? *palm face* Get this website a shiny gold medal of approval…….

  • Talal

    Dave, you mistaken the Holy Qur’an as a book of science that has to explain each of its scientific revelation with scientific terminology. The book is for all humanity, meaning it is meant to.be understood by everyone. If I give a layman person the theory of everything by hawking, will he understand its complexity and say “yeah, I believe every word he says”? No, not because the book is wrong but because it wasn’t written for a layman.

    Another thing is, you talk about some Turkish man and his history and making it seem like HE WROTE THE QURAN? Are you being illogical? Please explain to me how a book revealed 1400 years ago has spoken about the universe expanding (which was then claimed to be true by scientists in the 20th century), the stages of embryology (later discovered to be true 1400 years later), that every living thing is made up of water, that the moon’s light is a refraction, all these scientific revelations and yet, you say they are merely poetic? I am amused because if nostradamus have revealed all this, then he would be looked at as a god. But ofcouese the Qur’an poses a threat to you, my friend. It is a book that challanges you to find any contradictions, so stop using the illogical response “its merely poetic and vague.” No Dave, it is revealed through the ultimate form of sophistication: simplicity.

    • Dave Post author

      // Please explain to me how a book revealed 1400 years ago has spoken about the universe expanding (which was then claimed to be true by scientists in the 20th century), //
      Actually it does no such thing, it instead talks about the sun setting into a muddy pool each night … (static earth and moving sun) … and is very much a flat earth cosmology.

      // the stages of embryology (later discovered to be true 1400 years later), //
      It not only copies exactly what an earlier Greek Dr wrote, it also gets it quite wrong.

      // that every living thing is made up of water, //
      .. and also claims we are made of potters clay … and is also quite wrong.

      // if nostradamus have revealed all this, then he would be looked at as a god. //
      Actually if he had indeed produced such revelations, he would be looked upon as an idiot.

      Pick the best, the clearest most distinct “revelation”, quote it exactly for all to see, and then please do feel free to explain why you think it to be credible.

  • Avan

    “It took me 30 seconds (or less) to find this debunking,…” It took me 30 seconds also to find out that Adnan Oktar was a lunatic who believed to be on a special mission or to be the Mahdi (very ant-islamic thinking). I found the following information written by a Muslim “To my dismay, later I discovered that his interest in the message was not prompted by his philosophical quest for truth but by his pragmatic strategy for his political ambitions. He thought that he could use it easily to attract the children of the rich people who had modern life style and culture that was incompatible with the medieval Arab culture which was promoted by the teachings of Hadith and Sunna. He was extremely obsessed with recruiting the handsome children of the rich people wearing expensive cloths. He was not interested in guiding poor people.” (Again, very ant-islamic)
    So don’t you think that it would be proper to do some research on a guy first before you publish your reasoning and base your arguments on him? I am looking into all the debunking of the scientific miracles of the Quran. I will read both the Muslim opinion and then the non-muslim response to it. So we’ll see if you are right. Thanks for making me think about this.

  • Muneeb

    Black Hole Properties mentioned in the Quran

    With the name of God the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful

    The Quran swears by destruction of stars and the subsequent formation of black holes to prove it is sent by God. (In 53:1 An oath by the destruction of stars is taken, In 56:75-76 An oath by the enormity of this event is taken, In 81:15-18 Formation of black holes which form after the destruction of giant stars and the fact that matter and light cannot escape is mentioned) – Below are the specific ayaat:

    53:1: By the star when it Hawa (destructs, blows up)

    53:2: Has neither Dalla (gone astray), Your Companion (Muhammad Blessings and Peace of God be upon him) nor Ghawa (nor is being misled)

    53:3: Nor does he speak from Hawa (emotion)

    53:4: It is not but a Wahi (revelation, inspiration) Yuha (revealed, inspired)

    56:75: Fa (So) La (No), uqsimu (I swear, I take an oath) by the mawaq’i (occurrences, events) of the Nujuum (stars)

    56:76: And indeed, it is surely an oath – if you knew – Azeem (tremendous, A supernova is a tremendous event during which more energy may be released than the Sun will in its entire life span)

    56:77: That (this) is indeed a recital Kareem (honorable, the Qur’an in Arabic).

    56:78: In a Book kept Maknoon (hidden).

    56:79: Which (that Book with God) none can touch but the Mutaharoon (purified, the angels, the book in which is pre-written everything that will occur)

    56:80: (It is) a tanzeel (sending down of revelation) from the Lord of the Alameen (human beings and Jinn (another creation given the gift of speech))

    56:81: Then is it to this statement that you are Mudhinoon (indifferent)

    56:82: And make (the thanks) for your provision that you Tukaziboon (lie about the Provider)

    56:83: Then why (do you) not, when (death) reaches the Hulqoom (throat)

    56:84: And you are at that time Tanzuroon (looking on)

    56:85: And we (angels) are nearer to him than you, but you do not Tubsiroon (see)

    56:86: Then why (do you) not, if you are not to be Madineen (recompensed, punished or rewarded)

    56:87: Bring it (the soul) back, if you are Sadiqeen (truthful?)

    56:88: If (the deceased) was of the Muqarabeen (close to God, from the foremost in doing good works)

    56:89: Then (for him is) rauh and rayhan and a garden of Naeem (pleasure)

    56:90: And if he was of the Ashab Al-Yameen (people of the right)

    56:91: Then salam (safety from all bad things, paradise as well) for you, from the Ashab Al-Yameen.

    56:92: But if he was from the Mukazibeen (liars and who were) Daaleen (astray, e.g. people with lots of money who didn’t care about the starving)

    56:93: Then (for him is) accommodation of Hameem (intensely hot scalding water)

    56:94: And burning in Jaheem (intense Hellfire)

    56:95: Verily, this! This is Haq-ul-Yaqeen (the Truth with certainty)

    56:96: Fa sabbih (So declare free from faults) the name of your Lord, Al-Azeem (Tremendous)

    81:15: Fa (So) La (No), uqsimu (I swear, I take an oath) by Khunnas (drawn together objects) (When a massive star destructs, it subsequently draws together i.e. 10 times the mass of the sun is drawn to within a 30 km diameter in the stellar category of black holes)

    81:16: Those that run (their courses) and Kunnas (sweep whatever is in their path, matter cannot escape)

    81:17: And the night as it us’us (the darkness of a black hole is different than regular darkness)

    81:18: And the light as it Tanaffus (As it gets pulled in, even light cannot escape)

    81:19: Verily, this is the Word (this Qur’an brought by) a messenger Kareem (honourable, Jibrael (Gabriel), from God to the last human messenger)

    81:20: (Who is) possessed of power and with the Owner of the Arsh (uppermost construction in heaven), Makeen (secure in position),

    81:21: Obeyed there (in the heavens) and Ameen (trustworthy)

    81:22: And your companion is not (at all) Majnoon (mad)

    81:23: And he has already seen him (Gabriel) in the horizon Mubeen (clear)

    81:24: And he (the last messenger) is not with the unseen Daneen (a with-holder, concealer of knowledge)

    81:25: And it (the Qur’an) is not the word of Satan, Rajeem (expelled from the heavens).

    81:26: So where are you Tazhaboon (going?)

    81:27: It (the Quran) is not except a remembrance for the Alameen

    81:28: For whoever wills among you that (he or she) Yastaqeem (stay straight, do what is right and avoid straying from what is right)

    81:29: And you will not, except (it be) that Allah wills – Lord of the Alameen.

    3:84: Say, “We have believed in Allah (God) and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma’il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya’qub (Jacob), and Al-Asbat (the tribes from the twelve sons of Ya’qub), and in what was given to Musa (Moses) and ‘Iesa (Jesus) and to the Nabbiyun (those who brought news of the unseen) from their Lord. We make no division between any of them, and we to (God) are Muslimoon (those who submit to God)”.

    You may verify the words above using an arabic-english lexicon visit: http://tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/ or http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm or corpus.quran.com also http://quranic-wisdom.cu.cc

  • Dave Gamble Post author

    How very dishonest … to illustrate, if you take for example the first supposed translation from that last comment …

    53:1: By the star when it Hawa (destructs, blows up)

    And then compare it with 3 of the most reputable english translations ..

    Pickthall
    By the Star when it setteth,
    Yusuf Ali
    By the Star when it goes down,-
    Shakir
    I swear by the star when it goes down.

    You quickly get to see that the verses are being plucked out of context and massaged to be given a meaning that is not actually there to support a claim that has no credibility.

    the rest is more of the same, its a con job.

  • Muneeb

    With the name of God the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful

    The Quran swears by destruction of stars and the subsequent formation of black holes to prove it is sent by God. (In 53:1 An oath by the destruction of stars is taken, In 56:75-76 An oath by the enormity of this event is taken, In 81:15-18 Formation of black holes which form after the destruction of giant stars and the fact that matter and light cannot escape is mentioned) – Below are the specific ayaat:

    53:1: By the star when it Hawa (destructs, blows up)

    53:2: Has neither Dalla (gone astray), Your Companion (Muhammad Blessings and Peace of God be upon him) nor Ghawa (nor is being misled)

    53:3: Nor does he speak from Hawa (emotion)

    53:4: It is not but a Wahi (revelation, inspiration) Yuha (revealed, inspired)

    56:75: Fa (So) La (No), uqsimu (I swear, I take an oath) by the mawaq’i (occurrences, events) of the Nujuum (stars)

    56:76: And indeed, it is surely an oath – if you knew – Azeem (tremendous, A supernova is a tremendous event during which more energy may be released than the Sun will in its entire life span)

    56:77: That (this) is indeed a recital Kareem (honorable, the Qur’an in Arabic).

    56:78: In a Book kept Maknoon (hidden).

    56:79: Which (that Book with God) none can touch but the Mutaharoon (purified, the angels, the book in which is pre-written everything that will occur)

    56:80: (It is) a tanzeel (sending down of revelation) from the Lord of the Alameen (human beings and Jinn (another creation given the gift of speech))

    56:81: Then is it to this statement that you are Mudhinoon (indifferent)

    56:82: And make (the thanks) for your provision that you Tukaziboon (lie about the Provider)

    56:83: Then why (do you) not, when (death) reaches the Hulqoom (throat)

    56:84: And you are at that time Tanzuroon (looking on)

    56:85: And we (angels) are nearer to him than you, but you do not Tubsiroon (see)

    56:86: Then why (do you) not, if you are not to be Madineen (recompensed, punished or rewarded)

    56:87: Bring it (the soul) back, if you are Sadiqeen (truthful?)

    56:88: If (the deceased) was of the Muqarabeen (close to God, from the foremost in doing good works)

    56:89: Then (for him is) rauh and rayhan and a garden of Naeem (pleasure)

    56:90: And if he was of the Ashab Al-Yameen (people of the right)

    56:91: Then salam (safety from all bad things, paradise as well) for you, from the Ashab Al-Yameen.

    56:92: But if he was from the Mukazibeen (liars and who were) Daaleen (astray, e.g. people with lots of money who didn’t care about the starving)

    56:93: Then (for him is) accommodation of Hameem (intensely hot scalding water)

    56:94: And burning in Jaheem (intense Hellfire)

    56:95: Verily, this! This is Haq-ul-Yaqeen (the Truth with certainty)

    56:96: Fa sabbih (So declare free from faults) the name of your Lord, Al-Azeem (Tremendous)

    81:15: Fa (So) La (No), uqsimu (I swear, I take an oath) by Khunnas (drawn together objects) (When a massive star destructs, it subsequently draws together i.e. 10 times the mass of the sun is drawn to within a 30 km diameter in the stellar category of black holes)

    81:16: Those that run (their courses) and Kunnas (sweep whatever is in their path, matter cannot escape)

    81:17: And the night as it us’us (the darkness of a black hole is different than regular darkness)

    81:18: And the light as it Tanaffus (As it gets pulled in, even light cannot escape)

    81:19: Verily, this is the Word (this Qur’an brought by) a messenger Kareem (honourable, Jibrael (Gabriel), from God to the last human messenger)

    81:20: (Who is) possessed of power and with the Owner of the Arsh (uppermost construction in heaven), Makeen (secure in position),

    81:21: Obeyed there (in the heavens) and Ameen (trustworthy)

    81:22: And your companion is not (at all) Majnoon (mad)

    81:23: And he has already seen him (Gabriel) in the horizon Mubeen (clear)

    81:24: And he (the last messenger) is not with the unseen Daneen (a with-holder, concealer of knowledge)

    81:25: And it (the Qur’an) is not the word of Satan, Rajeem (expelled from the heavens).

    81:26: So where are you Tazhaboon (going?)

    81:27: It (the Quran) is not except a remembrance for the Alameen

    81:28: For whoever wills among you that (he or she) Yastaqeem (stay straight, do what is right and avoid straying from what is right)

    81:29: And you will not, except (it be) that Allah wills – Lord of the Alameen.

    You may verify the words above using an arabic-english lexicon visit: http://tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/ or http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm or corpus.quran.com

  • Dave Gamble Post author

    // It is written that we all are made from water. Another place it is written that we all are made from dust. //

    Not new ideas, just rips off what the bible says. This not “new” information, just what was believed at that time.

    // Another place it is written that we all are made from clot of blood. Decades ago people deny that fact and Indeed it is truth now. //

    The embryology in the quran simply copies the earlier Greek writers … so who exactly inspired them … Zeus perhaps.

    // Who would have thought these facts 14 Centuries ago?? //

    The Greeks, The Romans and many other early cultures that pre date Islam.

    The Quran is a flat-earth ancient myth book full of poetical images that you can use to crow-bar in any meaning you want, it perfectly reflects the thinking of the time and does not in any way contain anything modern.

    • usman

      Earth is flat? my friend no where in the Quran.
      I am not saying the the word of Bible are wrong. but it is mixed up with the ideas of the poeple of that time. in the bible there is a bitter water test. (drinking of poison and not dying. the sun is rotating around the earth etc.). Lots of scientific errors are present in the bible because the Bible we know is not in the true form. But with lots of scientific errors there are some scientific facts in this book. We muslims believe in Jesus (P.B.U.H). He was a messenger of god Like our prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H).
      There are lots of scientific errors in the bible about embryology also. Why in the Quran these errors are not present? why only the facts are there? this is not written in the bible but written in the quran that after the blood clot it become leach like sub. who suck the blood or you can say take its earlier food which is necessary for growth.
      And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander. or in simple words And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur’an, 51:47).
      The expending universe theory was proved by Edwin Hubble in 1920 or he was able to think about expending universe in let say 1900 but it is present in the Quran.
      My friend I don’t know you but I don’t want to hurt your and anyone’s feeling about the bible and the Jesus (P.B.U.H).
      The last words of Jesus (P.B.U.H) were ” Oh Allah why do you leave me?” these words are present in the bible and also in the Quran. And we believe that the day will come when he will return back to this world. He is not Dead (may Allah forgive me). Just think about that there are approx. 124000 messenger that come to this world for giving us the message of God. By the Name there are only few mention may be 100 or 500 max. where are the others???
      Because of the evil of men. what they did every time when the messenger passed away from this world they wrote or they mix their own ideas own knowledge in the book so that people of that time don’t follow the teaching of messenger. it happens every time in every messenger but in the case of Quran which is also a religious scripture like the bible, the Quran send to us in Arabic language and due to the fact that it has very very difficult grammer and difficult language no one can change any single word even if you put a dot the whole sentence will be change or become meaningless.
      What you need to do is that be a good student and read it just for knowledge and try to be neutral and sincere with yourself Inshallah you will fond lots of things and lots of answers. Or just read it like it is Bible part 2. The word of God after the time of Jesus. and one more thing. there is not a Zeus and Hedes etc. this is real myth,