Here is a list of the top 5 worst verses in the Qur’an. Be aware, some of them are quite repulsive and truly frightening …
“This is what Allah says… ‘Now go and strike the Infidel and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” Surah 27:63
“Happy is he who repays the infidel for what they have done to us – he who seizes their infants and dashes them against the rocks.” – Surah 34:12
“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” – Surah 135:27
“A Wife, must submit to her husband as to Allah.” – Surah 5:22
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.” – Surah 21: 7-8
That is clearly truly vile stuff and rather obvious proof that all Muslims are wicked evil people … right?
Ask yourself this. Knowing that you now know that the above verses are in the Qur’an, how do you now feel about the book?
Perhaps you have actually read the Qur’an and are already familiar with those verses.
OK, I have a confession to make, I cheated. None of these verses actually exist in the Qur’an at all. Instead I took a few bible verses and simply injected the word “Allah” instead of the word “God” and injected the word “infidel” in to make it sound Islamic. Here are those original bible verses …
“This is what the Lord Almighty says… ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” 1 Samuel 15:3
“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” – Psalm 137:9
“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” Judges 19:25-28
“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” – Ephesians 5:22
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.” – Exodus 21: 7-8
So my point is this. You can take almost any religious text and quote-mine it for whatever agenda you might have. For example you can pick out all the nice stuff, discard the rather obviously not-so-nice bits, and claim it is like no other book and is uniquely divine. Alternatively, you can pluck out the not-so-nice stuff and hold it up as “evidence” that all those that revere the text are obnoxious evil bastards.
The truth is that we live in a world where humans are generally born into a culture that has a specific religious tradition. Associated with it will be a religious text that generally nobody tends to actually read or be familiar with. If some do become aware of some of the dubious bits, then they will rationalise it. Perhaps they will tell themselves that it was the word that was needed at that time but does not apply now, or perhaps they might conclude that they simply don’t understand it correctly, or that it has not been translated correctly?
Why don’t we see it for what it actually is saying?
Basically because we have invested a lot of time and emotion in the culturally inherited belief. To preserve that belief and not upset others around us by displaying doubt, we rationalise away such thoughts.
The books themselves reflect their actual origins and so they will contain not only nice noble stuff, but will also articulate some truly obnoxious stuff. The core problem is the idea that they are the ultimate and literal source of truth and guidance because they were divinely inspired in some manner. Once you accept that idea then you are in a position where, when faced with a choice between tradition or basic human decency, tradition will dominate for emotional reasons.
Humans resists such literalism and do often reject the divine literal truth hypothesis by simply reading the obnoxious bits as metaphors, and not directives to be followed to the letter. This has generally been the road followed to tame the fundamentalist modality that once dominated Christianity and is also the same road that many strands of Islamic thinking are walking to achieve the same ends.
Much of our history has been a struggle between such literalist traditions and cultural insights into a better way. For example, take the concept of slavery. It was once culturally acceptable and part of the normal fabric of society, hence such religious texts reflect that and are generally pro-slavery. Read either the Qur’an or the Bible cover to cover and you will discover that there is not a single word that suggests that slavery is not moral. Now that is interesting, because today slavery is almost universally regarded as morally wrong. It still exists, but is not considered decent or right.
The bondage the bible talks about is now viewed as a form a spiritual slavery and not a literal slavery, and so our far better morality can and does prevail.
Slavery
I’m really not kidding about those texts being pro-slavery.
In the Bible we find explicit instructions on whom you may enslave, and also explicit instructions on how to correctly beat your slave (Apparently it is OK as long as your slave is still alive a few days after the beating). If the bible is your book, then your immediate thought will be, “Ah but that is the Old Testament, we now have the New Testament”. But let’s not forget that the New Testament is also pro-slavery. Paul specifically directed Christian slaves to obey their masters, and did not even once drop a hint that the concert of slavery was wrong.
In the Qur’an we also find explicit instructions on whom you may enslave. If you are familiar with it then you will know that traditional Islamic law covers the topic at great length. If the Qur’an is your book, then the immediate thought will be that Islam greatly improved things for slaves and made it all a lot better. But you need to consider that the Qur’an is still supposedly the final ultimate word on the topic and yet endorses the concept and does not identify it as morally wrong as we do today.
Questions
- If indeed these religious texts are the ultimate source of morality, are truly divine, and yet are also completely silent on the topic of slavery being morally wrong, then how exactly did we as a species come to the conclusion that slavery is wrong?
- If indeed slavery is morally wrong (Hint: yes it is, and I truly and very earnestly hope that you did not need that hint), then you need to be aware that you are already rejecting the moral stance taken by all these religious texts on that topic. It is not just you, almost everybody alive today does. So how did that happen, how is it possible for us to have embraced a moral conclusion that is far superior to all these religious texts?
- How is it possible for your religious text to be the ultimate unquestioned source of moral guidance, yet you personally hold a superior morality?
the god of islam said this and was ok with the Bible
https://questionsonislam.com/question/how-many-nations-and-tribes-were…
“Never did We destroy a population that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand. Neither can a people anticipate its Term, nor delay it.” (al-Hijr,15/4-5) The words “qarya”, (1) and “ummah” (2) are used about the destroyed nations in the Quran. These words mean the people in a country, generations, small or big communities. (3)
Absolutely, you can choose to read some verses and ignore others to prove your agenda and that indeed is wrong. May I say thats exactly what you have done?
I demonstrate that my interpretation of the bible is correct by reading all of it and basing everything I read on the two greatest commands “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
This is the first and greatest commandment.And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
Matthew 22:37-39. We all think differently but we can atleast agree on the second command, because thats how we were designed to be: righteous. Because thats who The Allmighty is,complete righteousness. Allow yourself to understand that nothing physical is infinite meaning that because we are here there is something else. “So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.” Luke 11:10
In context … considering the entire text … your first quote demands that you love the entity that supposedly happily endorses ethnic cleansing and slavery as just fine. That’s really not love, it’s more akin to an abusive relationship.
Side note, no we were not “designed” there is no credible evidence that supports that claim. We have been naturally selected to be like this because doing so gives us a distinct survival advantage.
The extreme difficultly you really do face is that there is stuff in the text that is neither ethical nor moral. Picking out the nice stuff does not alter that reality.
Okay thank you,
Exodus 21:16
“Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.
Deuteronomy 24:7
If someone is caught kidnapping a fellow Israelite and treating or selling them as a slave, the kidnapper must die. You must purge the evil from among you.
As we can see through The Allmighties words through the prophet Moses, Kidnapping (which is what traditional slavery is based upon) is not supported, this then excludes the purchase from slave masters and kidnappers in general. Therefore the only choices would be from a parent, someone who works for 7 years to pay off a contract or someone who willingly gives themselves up. I know it’s a hard concept to grasp because we only have one preconcieved idea of slavery but try to realise that if you’ve ever signed a contract you have also become a slave on your own account, very much like the army.
The full text, in context, wholly and completely endorses owning people as property and permits you to beat them as long as they do not die within a few days after the beating. There are exceptions, the text does not permit you to do this to people in your own tribe … unless you successfully trick them into being slaves for life (the beginning of Chap 21 explains how to do that. Such exceptions really do not make this OK.
The difficultly you face is that you believe this archaic text to be divine and true and that leads you into attempting to justify things that simply can’t be justified. You really should hit pause and give some serious thought to the stance that you are taking here.
Muslims are brainwashed fanatics who are taught the teachings/instructions from Allah in the Qur’an from a very early age.
The instructions in the Qur’an are not open for debate on what their meaning might be. Everything written in the Qur’an is the literal word of Allah, period and no discussion.
You then have hundreds of millions of what I’d describe as primitive people, better suited up the 7th century that the 21st century space-age, who fall down on their knees and pray to this book 5 TIMES A DAY, 365 DAYS A YEAR, when you do something to this extreme, you are nothing more than a robot, unable to think and reason for yourself and at the mercy of the Imams who’s every word must be obeyed and unquestioned.
No wonder certain Imams can easily persued the truly gullible to go blow themselves up and take as many if the dirty non-believing kafirs n infidels with them as possible as Allah will be mighty pleased and they’ll get their 72 virgins and other goodies in the afterlife.
Take a long hard look at the continued slaughters and mayhem going on around the world at the moment and with those doing it shouting the words Allahu Akbar as they do so. There is absolutely no Christian comparison going on or any other religion so to compare what’s written in the old or new testaments against the Qur’an is absolutely meaningless.
Islam is a relentless conquering cult/ideology and a whole political system, not some peace-loving holy book, with multi-millions of truly fanatical; radical followers as well as multi-millions of others who are peace-loving types. The peace-loving types are irrelevant as it’s the minority radicals who push the agenda. This was the same in Hitler’s 1930s Germany, where the majority peaceful types didn’t matter as it was the minority Nazis who drove the agenda.
Allah instructs his followers in the Qur’an, in black and white and for all to read, that any of them who settle in other countries must take over that country, by any means necessary; including deception, and install Islam under the Sharia. They are instructed to do this until Islam dominates the earth. Muslims are also instructed never to make friends with the non-believers (that’s us in case you’d forgotten) and they are also instructed to use deception and to kid on infidels are their friends.
I STRONGLY believe that Islam is by far THE biggest danger we have faced since the rise of the Nazis in the 1930s. It is a conquering cult/ideology and absolutely must be viewed and dealt with as such or we are in big, BIG trouble, longterm.
You could’ve also made top 5 worst abrahamic verses then it would nit be false advertising but still a nice idea.
Slaves from the surrounding nations that are property for life and that the verse of beating your slave pertains to them, correct me if I’m wrong but there are no such verses that support this theory. Infact the bible mentions that Moses is speaking to the Israelites and there is no where in the bible does it state whether slaves can be taken from other nations nor does it allude to it.
Yes you can trick a slave if you are deceitful but we know that the bible does not condone lies or deceit. Leviticus 19:11″‘Do not steal. “‘Do not lie. “‘Do not deceive one another.
The third and fourth flavour you brushed over would be rights and kindess, Imagine being homeless and someone lets you live with them, gives you a job and food ( possibly even gives you a wife). After all of this you love your master so much you declare it and become his servant forever. Nothing like a slave were used to is it? Nope rather more of an adoption like extended childhood in a sense. So as an adopted child becomes property that are loved and provided for so is a servant who becomes a masters property thus like an adopted child if a parent is harsh you can leave the home in a few years or you can choose to live with them forever.
Yes Immanuel, you are wrong. I will simply quote the verses for you.
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life – Leviticus 25:44-46
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property. – Exodus 21:20-21
My mind is truly blown that you are striving to justify slavery (owning people as property) as a solution to being homeless or as a form of adoption.
My friend I believe you are struggling to understand this text due to making the same mistake those who partook in the culture did ; interpreting the verse by looking at how other cultures and other people treated their wives.
The issue is not how you might choose to interpret such texts, but rather is how millions of others actually interpret such texts.
How exactly do you demonstrate that your fringe interpretation is correct, and the millions of others are wrong … apart from a bit of wishful thinking?
Firstly,no where is anyone in this story condoning what the traveller did and secondly you presume that not every person in the city participated. We don’t know the size of the city nor its culture and therefore we can not judge the whole bible off of information we don’t have, however we can judge the bible off of the other core values which we do have and are stated in Leviticus and Matthew.
Thats like me asking you are you okay with what hitler did, you believe it happened but just because you believe it happened does not mean you support it.
The issue is not if you do or do not believe it, but rather is more akin to claiming that Hitler is a jolly fine chap who has simply had a bit of bad press. The Ethnic Cleansing was not done on a whim, but is presented within the text as something that was directly ordered by the God that you believe in.
indeed , I could not find in Quran those first five verses in Quran . you are just lying . I do not know why ???????? . but there were always some people that have tried to destroy Islam . such as you and others . God is at the end of the world . Muslims will win . by peacefulness
it is better as an example read the verse 18 of sura 27 and find out the rights of Islam . ( this verse has a very incredible scientific fact)
حَتَّىٰ إِذَا أَتَوْا عَلَىٰ وَادِ النَّمْلِ قَالَتْ نَمْلَةٌ يَا أَيُّهَا النَّمْلُ ادْخُلُوا مَسَاكِنَكُمْ لَا يَحْطِمَنَّكُمْ سُلَيْمَانُ وَجُنُودُهُ وَهُمْ لَا يَشْعُرُونَ
The posting tells you that those verses are not in the quran. I’d recommend reading it all.
Thank you so much. He literally took points out of context to prove a stupid point.
Where’s the Context?
Yes as you have showed us anyone can take anything out of context and give it another identity (as you have done at the start using the Quran) and they can also give it another meaning without the sufficient text that portrays the context badly (as you have done after the Quran part)
So let me give the text that shows the context of the bible verses
1 samuel 15: Revenge on the Amelekites
2 This is what the LORD Almighty says: `I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt
3’Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle
and sheep, camels and donkeys.'”
4 So Saul summoned the men and mustered them at Telaim–two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousand men from Judah.
5 Saul went to the city of Amalek and set an ambush in the ravine.
6 Then he said to the Kenites, “Go away, leave the Amalekites so that I do not destroy you along with them; for you showed kindness to all the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt.” So the Kenites moved away from the Amalekites.
From the verse you gave it sounds like the Israelites are harsh unmerciful people.
In verse 2 it shows the battle only happened because they were attacked previously when they were defenceless, in verse 6 you are able to see the compassion the Israelites show to those who are merciful.
Are you really attempting to suggest that ethnic cleansing, the complete and total obliteration of all the children and infants, is OK?
Psalm 137:7-9: Punishment Of Sin By The Allmighty through the Edomites
7 Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell.“Tear it down,” they cried,“tear it down to its foundations!”
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
“Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction” Daughter of Babylon are the Jews breaking the covenant who are being punished by the Allmighty through the hands of the Edomites, who are taking this as a happy victory.
”happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us.” Happy ones are the Edomites fulfilling the task the Allmighty gave them of punishing the Jews who have been sinful: the Daughter of Babylon.
“Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” Happy one referring to Edomites who are dashing the infants of the Jews (the Daughter of Babylon) because of their sin against the Allmighties covenant.
Picking up babies and smashing their heads in … you are OK with this?
Judges 19:20-30 & 20:1-11 Wicked men and their city destroyed for rape
Wicked men demand a traveler to come out so they can rape him, the traveler puts out his concubine, she is raped to death. The traveler carries her back and reports what has happened. The whole of Israel comes against the city where this took place, destroy it and everyone in it.
19:20 “You are welcome at my house,” the old man said. “Let me supply whatever you need. Only don’t spend the night in the square.”
21 So he took him into his house and fed his donkeys. After they had washed their feet, they had something to eat and drink.
22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”
23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, “No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this outrageous thing.
24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don’t do such an outrageous thing.”
25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go.
26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight.
27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold.
28 He said to her, “Get up; let’s go.” But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.
29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.
30 Everyone who saw it was saying to one another, “Such a thing has never been seen or done, not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt. Just imagine! We must do something! So speak up!”
20:1 Then all Israel from Dan to Beersheba and from the land of Gilead came together as one and assembled before the LORD in Mizpah.
2 The leaders of all the people of the tribes of Israel took their places in the assembly of God’s people, four hundred thousand men armed with swords.
3 (The Benjamites heard that the Israelites had gone up to Mizpah.) Then the Israelites said, “Tell us how this awful thing happened.”
4 So the Levite, the husband of the murdered woman, said, “I and my concubine came to Gibeah in Benjamin to spend the night.
5 During the night the men of Gibeah came after me and surrounded the house, intending to kill me. They raped my concubine, and she died.
6 I took my concubine, cut her into pieces and sent one piece to each region of Israel’s inheritance, because they committed this lewd and outrageous act in Israel.
7 Now, all you Israelites, speak up and tell me what you have decided to do.”
8 All the men rose up together as one, saying, “None of us will go home. No, not one of us will return to his house.
9 But now this is what we’ll do to Gibeah: We’ll
go up against it in the order decided by casting lots.
10 We’ll take ten men out of every hundred from all the tribes of Israel, and a hundred from a thousand, and a thousand from ten thousand, to get provisions for the army. Then, when the army arrives at Gibeah[a] in Benjamin, it can give them what they deserve for this outrageous act done in Israel.”
11 So all the Israelites got together and united as one against the city.
The hero of the story here is the guy who tossed a sex-slave out for the men to abuse … do you think he is the good guy here?
He then cuts her body up into parts and distributes it … and you have no problem with this?
Meanwhile this is used to justify obliterating the entire city as if every single citizen in that city had participated … and you are OK with this?
Ephesians 5:22 Commit to your wife
Submit is not found within the bible it was added, making the sentence sound more like commit to me.
Wives,
γυναῖκες (gynaikes)
Noun – Vocative Feminine Plural
Strong’s Greek 1135: A woman, wife, my lady. Probably from the base of ginomai; a woman; specially, a wife.
[submit] to
τοῖς (tois)
Article – Dative Masculine Plural
Strong’s Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.
your
ἰδίοις (idiois)
Adjective – Dative Masculine Plural
Strong’s Greek 2398: Pertaining to self, i.e. One’s own; by implication, private or separate.
husbands
ἀνδράσιν (andrasin)
Noun – Dative Masculine Plural
Strong’s Greek 435: A male human being; a man, husband. A primary word; a man.
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.
24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,
27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
29 After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church—
30 for we are members of his body.
31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”
32 This is a profound mystery–but I am talking about Christ and the church.
33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
Wives,
γυναῖκες (gynaikes)
Noun – Vocative Feminine Plural
Strong’s Greek 1135: A woman, wife, my lady. Probably from the base of ginomai; a woman; specially, a wife.
[submit] to
τοῖς (tois)
Article – Dative Masculine Plural
Strong’s Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.
your
ἰδίοις (idiois)
Adjective – Dative Masculine Plural
Strong’s Greek 2398: Pertaining to self, i.e. One’s own; by implication, private or separate.
husbands
ἀνδράσιν (andrasin)
Noun – Dative Masculine Plural
Strong’s Greek 435: A male human being; a man, husband. A primary word; a man.
You are playing with words. You know there is a long well-established tradition that dictates that wives must submit to their husbands.
It strikes me that you are struggling and grasping to not interpret it that way because you know it is wrong.
Exodus 21:2-32 Optional Slavery
slave woman
παιδίσκης (paidiskēs)
Noun – Genitive Feminine Singular
Strong’s Greek 3814: A female slave, maidservant, maid, young girl. Feminine diminutive of pais; a girl, i.e., a female slave or servant.
Slaves had rights and no one had to be a slave, a slave was someone who chose it out of love for their master.
Exodus 21
2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything.
3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him.
4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.
5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’
6 then his master must take him before the judges.[a] He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant
for life.
7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do.
8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her.
9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter.
10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.
11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.
26 “An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye.
27 And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.
32 If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull is to be stoned to death.
Slavery had two flavours …
– from the surrounding nations … slaves were property for life. It was fine to beat your slave as long as they survived that.
– jewish slaves were only slaves for a specific period of time, but could be tricked into being slaves for life. The text you quote tells people how to do this. You offer to let them go, but only them, and not their wife or children, hence you trick them into staying for life so that they stay with their wife and children.
You are highlighting the second and brushing over the first.
Are you really OK with all of this and fine with the concept of people being property?
Are you kidding me Yes God is Love but are you very Naive to think that God has not punished man I can give you several off the top of my head without thinking. What happened with sodem and Gomorrah do you know the story of Sodom Gomorrah in what it means God-sent down an angel there to see how the people would react to a poor stranger One in only 1 person took him in .offered him food and clothing. and and what did the rest of the village Want to do to this man to committ Homosexual acts on the man. The man Who took in the stranger said that it was wrong and against God’s Law. he had 6 daughters and told the men in the village they can have any of his 6 daughters you choose but leave the man alone . The villagers chose to break through and preformed serial acts on the manor should i say again Homosexeul acts. God was so angered with that what did he do? He destroyed the 2 cities and there was never to be homosexuality again. It is in the Bible. And to this day , the Roman Catholic church will not allow Homosexuality or people who act that way to enter the church and if you did not know, sodomy which is the term issued by the law in an assault is directly from Sodom. And again incase people did not see or understand, the 2 cities and all the wicked people were destroyed except for the one man and his daughters.
Or how about when God said that people were evil they did not follow God’s laws so he asked Noah to build the ark to take 2 of every animal and everyone who belied in him and what he was going to do was welcome on the ark. Nobody went or believed but his family and God Flooded the earth and destroyed all the evil on it.
In the book of revelations, he said the world is still evil and will do it again. He promised it would not be by water but fire. If you need more or don’t believe you can very easily read the Bible and revalations. I can give you more if i need too. God is a God of love but if you directly against him with no consequences you are very mistaken. Also the very simple fact if you believe in God you must believe in the devil. Heaven and Hell is everyone in Heaven no. If you want to Live a very sinful life And deny Jesus God will deny you entrance into heaven
So everything he said is true. He has never said anything that was wrong? This is not about Islam but everyone of every religion has said something wrong. It is sad that you believe your statement
No, I disagree with that
All verses from the Wise, Allah
None of the verses in the Qur’an are bad !
Whatever Allah has said is true.
But isnt Surah 34:12 “And to Solomon [We subjected] the wind – its morning [journey was that of] a month – and its afternoon [journey was that of] a month, and We made flow for him a spring of [liquid] copper. And among the jinn were those who worked for him by the permission of his Lord. And whoever deviated among them from Our command – We will make him taste of the punishment of the Blaze.”?
Yes all the verses given are totally WRONG , which are not mentioned in quran any where. Islam is beautiful religion . I invite you to read Quran thoroughly. I never read bible but I m sure no holy book can ever have such words which you mention . Mr Dave learn to respect other religions as well. Be moderate . I think brother siyal is absolutely RIGHT
RESPECT ALL RELIGION AND RELIGIOUS BOOKS IF U R A TRUE CHRISTEN.
This is the worst bullshit I’ve read in a long while. First of all it’s misleading. It’s a lie. The Bible contains descriptions of evil. This is not the same as commanding evil, which the Qur’an does in many suras, including, but not limited to 9:29. Why this fawning for Islam, while trying to paint Christianity in pitch black? That is hypocrisy. Chrisitanity is reformed. Islam cannot be reformed. And what cannot be reformed, should be removed.
now this is real hypocrisy, when people cherry pick verses from the quran and take them out of context its ok, but when the same thing is done to the bible people start being real idiots. this society has a big double standard
wow. you must be super dumb. he legit said that those verses are not from Quran but from the bible. he was just trying to point out the hypocrisy in people. he is on your side, you dumb-witted human.
The point is why bother reading the rest of the opening is statement is false and you we’re obviously too lazy and ignorant to check the source. Pathetic
Before judging anything, please do some research on it.
//God as we understand is pure love and the God cannot never think of punishing the so called wrong doers. If a religious book says the wrong doer will be punished in hell or women should subject to men etc., it cannot be God word.//
Okay, now think rationally.What would you have done if your mother/wife/sister/daughter was raped infront of your eyes and other male members were killed brutally,will you still forgive them or will you want justice?If God forgave the worst persons in the world,will the victims be satisfied? If God will forgive everyone,then everyone will do as they please.Will there be any law and order then?Thus the God has to punish the wrong-doers.I don’t know about other religions,so I am referencing to only my religion,and I am a Muslim.Allah has said that the wrong-doers will be sent to hell,that’s correct.But what if somebody did wrong half of his life then devoted the rest for good and helping others?Then the God will surely forgive him.But will the victims be satisfied?Nope.Thus Allah will try to compensate.He will give the victim a better place than what he deserved.And the worng-doer will be punished(Temporarily).Then after enough punishment, he will be sent to heaven.But then again,who did a very little good,but more wrong-doing anyone can imagine,he will surely be sent to hell.This will be applicable for both muslims and (also) non-muslims.Last but not least,God is the judge to decide what he will do.
Note:I am not a Islamic Scholar,so I couldn’t describe properly.Of you want to know more,please search for references from both non-muslims and (obviously) muslims.Don’t get stick to what only non-muslims described and don’t pay any heed to muslims.
Hi Dave/Devil
why are you trying to mislead people.The verses which you mentioned above are not from Holly Quran. The corect verses are given below .Try to Understand Quran. At least you have to Understand that there are only 114 chapters (Surah).
Please Try to Understand Quran Or Go to Hell..
Don’t delete my comments If you are not a shemale
“This is what Allah says… ‘Now go and strike the Infidel and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. Surah 27:63 https://quran.com/27/63
2.And to Solomon [We subjected] the wind – its morning [journey was that of] a month – and its afternoon [journey was that of] a month, and We made flow for him a spring of [liquid] copper. And among the jinn were those who worked for him by the permission of his Lord. And whoever deviated among them from Our command – We will make him taste of the punishment of the Blaze. (Surah 34:12)https://quran.com/34/12-22
3.The Total Numbers of chapters(surah) in Quran Is 114 .Then Idon’t Know fro where you got Surah 135.
4.They said, “O Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength, and indeed, we will never enter it until they leave it; but if they leave it, then we will enter.”(Surah 522) https://quran.com/5/22-32
5.And We sent not before you, [O Muhammad], except men to whom We revealed [the message], so ask the people of the message if you do not know.And We did not make the prophets forms not eating food, nor were they immortal [on earth].Surah 21:7,8)https://quran.com/21/7?translations=20,
https://quran.com/21/8?translations=20
It really would be worth reading the part of the posting that very specifically tells you that the verses are not from the Qur’an.
After agreeing with most of what you said, I have the impression you are learning to become a free minded member of the society;when you said God is pure love. How do we know that? Isn’t this another blind Belief?
I am a Muslim I know the Quran but you are misleading the masses there is no such stuff. Any one can pick quran and see/ check the verses
Ayaz, it might in fact be worth actually reading the bit of the posting that explains that those quotes do not actually come from the Qur’an.
Well, maybe you should have read the rest because at the end he states that these were all indeed from the Bible and then proceeds to explain.
Now, did you really feel misinformed or was your brain just too tiny and closed up to hold the capacity to read for over 10 seconds?
thank you! awesome explanation, I read these verses from the KJV and found Psalm 137:9 reads completely different! I also read the before and after verses and saw you were right! Satan often twist the meaning and point of GOD’s WORD! In the bible Lucifer also twisted and lied on the WORD of GOD! Thank you for taking the time to explain! well done.
You sound like an idiot. Read the whole passage before leaving such a stupid comment.
This is FALSE. The first quote is about the infidels is actually from the BIBLE !!! it’s from Samuel 15:3. As soon as you quoted that I didn’t even bother reading the rest as you are MISINFORMED. People need to not be IGNORANT and double check their sources of information before they speak.
// I didn’t even bother reading the rest //
That would perhaps rather ironically include the part of the posting that tells you this.
// People need to not be IGNORANT and double check their sources of information before they speak //
darn, my irony meter just exploded.
I’m certainly not condoning the verses above, or the bible. I’ve had a problem with christianity long before I studied Islam. I do think there is a difference, if you compare the words of jesus christ to the words (and actions) of mohammed.
I also think it’s silly that if a person criticizes christianity no one beats an eye, but criticize islam and everyone goes crazy, says you’re a racist, islamophobe, etc. Double standard.
// if a person criticizes christianity no one beats an eye //
In reality many who come out about not believing are often reviled and rejected by their family … in the US. Not always the case, but true for some.
// criticize islam and everyone goes crazy, says you’re a racist, islamophobe //
Some who deploy such criticism are actually being racist or xenophobic and some are offering up frank thoughtful criticism. You can usually work it out by determining which is which by observing if people are criticising an idea, or if they are condemning people for simply having a specific cultural inheritance by accident of birth.
I quite agree with Dave. A greater reading of religious texts and a deeper understanding will clearly show that all these religious stuff such as scriptures are man made and not God written. God as we understand is pure love and the God cannot never think of punishing the so called wrong doers. If a religious book says the wrong doer will be punished in hell or women should subject to men etc., it cannot be God word.
Religions came in to existence to bring orderliness in our lives and society. It is to discipline the society and make the people lead a spiritual life, which means loving everyone including those opposed to us, being honest, being compassionate etc.
We have become so conditioned with our religious beliefs that the spiritual contest is lost.
Man made religion and man made scriptures can never be perfect and to blindly follow an imperfect scripture is to destroy the very purpose for which religions were orignally intended
Let us what is good in each religion and leave what is hurting the humanity and nature
U cant just say these verses are weird awkward etc, because u have to read the context or exegesis expanation on the verse.maany verses do seem a bit odd but u gatta read exegesis.
That is correct. None of it is from the Quran. That is the entire point of the posting. It might be worth a 2nd read because it does explain where those quotes really come from.
Who ever wrote this clearly doesn’t know how to read in Arabic because all the stuff he sited from the Quran is wrong.
Luke 45-47 is a parable, and should be taken into context. It’s only to illustrate the rapture, returning of Jesus. We all are the slaves, and he is the homeowner in this parable. He is away right now, and If we don’t believe he is coming back, we will live for ourselves, however we want. If we live not believing in Jesus and that he will return. When he does return for his children, references the slave (unbeliever) being beaten and punishment, as Hell.
Kind of like how a child, teenager is told he shouldn’t throw a house party while his parents are on vacation, but does it anyway BELIEVING there to be no repercussions, and when his parents come back to find out he did, there is punishment. Slavery was a common thing back then, so Jesus spoke this parable to them that they may understand of his returning. Jesus wants Hell, pain, beating, punishment, or slavery on no one. In fact he took all that so you wouldn’t have to, but hell it is a real place, and the path that leads to destruction is wide and broad, so it must be said.
it may have taken a little while, but after Jesus, look slavery is a very minimal thing. Think about the biblical principles used by Abraham Lincoln and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
About that part in Judges, one thing I’ve learned from this chapter is, if you have a Road trip to take, or journey and it is night, and you are tired. Get some good rest and travel early in the morning, instead of rushing it that night. You left a lot out of this story. A man went back to get his women servant from her fathers house, that she went back to her fathers because she got mad and was rebellious. He came to the house with kind things to say. After he was there his women servant agreed to go back with him. After staying there a couple days he was ready to go back and her father urged them to stay, rest well, and leave in the morning. He refused and left that night with his women servant, he needed another place to stay along the way, found an older man and he invited them to his house, where he says he has plenty to meet more then needs.
After there, men from the same town came and surrounded the house, in my imagination like a swat team surrounds a structure there planning on invading. Threaten harm to them if they did not give him the MAN who was traveling to have sex with him. The home owner came out to reason with them and even offered his own virgin daughter, and the woman servant that they would not do these evil things to that man. They took the women servant and raped her. Those were evil dudes who did those things. And another thing this chapter mentions is there was no king in Israel at this time so it was more like an anarchy at this time. People of Israel said nothing like that happened in Israel since they were rescued as slaves in Egypt.
The leaders of all the people and tribes of Israel came together there to discuss what to do about it, about like we would do in a community. They gathered foot Soldiers to raid the town to find the men who had did this thing, the town wouldn’t give the men up, and eventually went to War over it. The Bible mentions good and bad in it, but there is no where in judges saying, or hinting toward, “rape women like these men did.” The Bible did say these men’s actions are EVIL. Good will and always will prevail. I’ve spent about an hour on this so hope this helps show that I love you guys and I want the Truth of the good news to be shared. It’s so that it may benefit you.
you wouldn’t ask a taxi driver how to fly a plane so why ask atheists about doctrines of the Bible, i dare you to Ask a Christian Pastor about this pages understanding of Christianity. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Slavery/
But you would ask an atheist.
A very recent Pew poll from a couple of months ago on religious knowledge reveals that Atheists have a far better understanding of the bible than most Christians do. The reason many identify as atheist is because they have studied it, do understand the claims, have given it a lot of thought, and don’t find any credible evidence.
All those quotes are from old testament and are out of context. Jesus as opposed to Muhammad never said anything in this manner.
Not all are OT, one is NT. Feel free to explain what you mean by “Out of context”.
Claim: “Jesus as opposed to Muhammad never said anything in this manner.”
Not strictly true. As an example beatings, and even killing, of slaves is promoted personally by Jesus as an appropriate disciplinary measure (See Luke 12:45-47).
actually ist from the old testament, not the new you idiots.
Many of verse are not in Quran
That is correct. The posting tells you that. It might be worth going back and reading it all … especially the bit that explains that.
So what? What are you trying to say? That Christianity is bad too? We know this! BUT….Christianity is not as bad today…Islam is a huge problem…Women oppressed all over the place not to mention LGBT. I did wonder when I first started reading your fake Quran verses. There is MUCH worse in the Quran…Jeez this is just more pathetic virtue signalling…
Am I missing something??
Reading the Quran and there’s no such thing as what’s quoted above for Surah 27:63. Its completely different from what’s in the Quran.
Also, what’s in the bracket below is not true according to the Quran I’m reading. Please clarify.
(“Happy is he who repays the infidel for what they have done to us – he who seizes their infants and dashes them against the rocks.” – Surah 34:12)
The quotations are not from the Quran, but instead are from the bible. The article explains this.
“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” – Ephesians 5:22 Not evil. Read the entire text.
Paul told the christian slaves to not rebel. He didn’t tell them to take slaves.
The bible is rather explicit. Women should cover their heads, be silent, and submit. If you believe, then you will be familiar with the references. The word that best describes this politely is “medieval”.
The idea that humans are property is one that is generally recognised as a bad idea these days. The idea that belief should be deployed as a means to suppress any objections that a slave might have is part of that package of bad ideas.
Picking out the good bits and being inspired by them is just fine. Attempting to justify the very bad stuff instead of coming to terms with it is, is also best summed up with one word – “indoctrination”. I do of course understand. You have deeply invested emotionally (as I once did), hence it can become rather challenging to come to terms with it as it actually is.
I’d recommend hitting pause and being a tad more critical about some of the ideas you have embraced.
Word of Caution…I see this in every religion…a atheist cant see any bad but reality….
No way they encouraged me…I always believe in today…..Science is my forte…democracy is my soul…take good from everything…discard bad, unrealistic, cruel and destructive….
@Real. Beautifully put. I agree with you.