Does the Quran really state that the earth is flat? 80


Flat-Earth-SignThe simple one word answer is “Yes”, I was writing about this a few days ago and clarified that the Quran does indeed promote a flat-earth view. There are many verses such as the following …

15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

20:53 He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky.” With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.

43:10 (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);

50:7 And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)

The above is only a sample, there are lots more similar references.

Does any of this actually matter?

Yes, it truly does, when you believe that the quran is perfect and every word is promoted by a god for you to obey, then you quickly find that you are using it to justify some truly abhorrent stuff such as …

  • Intolerance of all other beliefs and non-belief
  • Homophobia
  • Misogyny
  • Murder
  • Stoning
  • etc…

What is important about the flat-earth statements within the quran is that here we have hard irrefutable proof that this book is not authored by a god and contains stuff that is factually wrong. If it is wrong about the earth being flat then it is clearly crazy to use it to justify all the violence and intolerance.

So what are the counter arguments presented by Islamic Apologists when you point out a flat earth?

It is not really saying the earth is flat?

This is no straw-man, it is an actual quote … (forgive his spelling)

If i Say About 1 Mile Square Area refered “Flat” in My discusion E.g My Best Friend ask me TO have One acre of Area, I Say him loud, ” that , my dear Friend, whole flat Terotery is yours , Dont think in acres, they are Miles” so David Here word Flat Dosnt Mean Whole earth is Flat,as concerned with wiki, so i totaly agree with him, If Tow people listening me and my friend nearby suposed my refred word 4 whole earth, thy may thier own misconception or way of inovation to undrstand. If one person debate and say 4 mile squir is refred flat, and one say whole earth is flat, refring my discusion to My friend, and about thier whole Quaral

The rebuttal to my observation regarding the quran describing the earth as flat is essentially to argue that the references in the quran are relative and localized. He illustrates this by pointing  out that if you take an area of say 1 sq mile, it is flat.

The rather obvious response to that is to point out that the flatness described by the quran is applied to the entire earth and not just a local area.

For example in 20:53 we read …

الذي جعل لكم الارض مهدا وسلك لكم فيها سبلا وانزل من السماء ماء فاخرجنا به ازواجا من نبات شتى

He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky.” With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.

And just to clarify that for you مَهْدًا = mahdan = (Noun) cradle or bed, (verb) flatten, smoothen, smooth, level, cement, grade, ram, plane, roll, flat, level off … is not applied here to a local area, but to the entire earth.

Clearly for this flatness there is no localised qualifier.

The Quran mentions the actual shape of the Earth as round, not flat

He Who has made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels)….” The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 20, Verse 53

Does carpet mean ‘flat’ ? Carpet takes the shape of the surface below. If the carpet is put on a spherical surface then it takes the shape of the sphere, it doesn’t stay flat, does it.

Brother david there was no gramer when quran was written and all gramers are drived from quran. No where in the Quran is it mentioned the Earth is flat. I just queted the example. Actually the Quran specifically mentions the Earth is egg shaped.The Qur’an mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse:

And we have made the earth egg shaped“. The Holy Qur’an, Chapter 79, Verse 30.

Taking One Verse as consequence and leaving other Is also an amazing degree of dishonesty.

Humm, the cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.

So has anybody seen a spherically shaped area that has had a carpet rolled out on it … ever?

He then quotes a verse that he claims declares the earth is shaped like an egg, so lets take a really close look at that. The claim here is that 79:30 reads “And we have made the earth egg shaped”, but does it?

Nope, it does not, his claimed translation is the true dishonesty here, the quran says no such thing.

Arabic: والارض بعد ذلك دحاها

Transliteration: Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha

Literal: And the earth/Planet Earth after that He blew and stretched/spread it.

What is going on here is that a couple of translations have attempted to translate the word dahaha to mean made egg-shaped or like an ‘ostrich egg’, but that is wrong. The attempt to justify this is to claim that the root word for dahaha is duhiya which means ostrich egg, but even that is not correct either.

In Arabic, each word must be derived from its root. The root usually consists of three letters that can be manipulated, by adding vowels, prefixes and suffixes in order to produce different words with different meanings. For example, “ka-ta-ba” (to write) is the root for many words such as kitab (book), maktaba (library), katib (author), maktoob (written), kitabat (writings), etc…

Let’s now take the word mentioned to mean egg of an ostrich, “Duhiya”. This word is not a root. It is a noun and is derived from “da-ha-wa”, the same root that the verb “dahaha” comes from. Furthermore, Duhiya does not even mean the egg of an ostrich.

To daha the earth means to spread it out, there is no egg shape here at all, and that is why most good translations correctly render it as streatched or spread.

We are right back to a flat earth once again.

Summary

The Quran does indeed assert that the earth is flat, and this is quite obviously wrong. The claim that the Quran is perfect and never wrong does not withstand any fact-based criticism. This of course is just one example, there are many other similar factual inaccuracies … humans are not made of clay, the moon never split in two, jinns are not real, the sun does not set in a muddy pool when it sets, and thunder is not an angel.

The real issue here is not that a text from the seventh century contains some archaic and factually wrong information, that is exactly what we would expect. Instead, the issue is that this exact same text which is full of mistakes, is claimed to be perfect and must be obeyed. The result of such obedience is homophobia, violence, and intolerance, and that is why the assertion of perfection needs to be challenged, because while this myth of divine unchallengeable scribblings prevails, real harm results.

“The earth is flat. Whoever claims it is round is an atheist deserving of punishment.”
Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia, 1993


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80 thoughts on “Does the Quran really state that the earth is flat?

  • kaimi2k2000

    These are great Ayahs for understanding of Human.
    Great Almighty Allah wants us to realize his rewards on Humanity for making the earth flat like carpet to travel & make our routine easy. It doesn’t means that dia of earth is flat..Quran has not claimed it anywhere. If Allah would address the residents of skies Angels etc regarding earth then he would have definitely said that shape of planet earth is round like ball. But since we the human live on this earth, so Allah told us what we get benefits from his creations.
    So I request all the malice critical peoples to think twice before trying to make argues on divine book.

  • Salamuth

    Unfortunately we are dealing here with a debased mindset of some bigoted fanatical atheist who himself acknowledged that the earth assumes the perfect shape of an egg which science describes as elipse.
    Coming to the issue of flatness of earth. The carpet when unfurled looks flat on something which is immensely gigantic despite the shape of an egg. It is another miracle of Allah -we are walking on an elliptical shape which looks flat. We feel only the flatness like a carpet without sensing the wobbling effect despite the rotational and revolutional effect of the earth.
    We feel like walking on a stretched carpet and air pressure keeps us from floating into space.

  • Abraham

    Whata bunch of horse $&;7 this article is. God’s verses in the Quran is stating like a carpet allowing us to make use of it, to live on to grow crops on etc. from a persons point of view on earth it does look flat not to say earth itself is flat. And by the way if the Quran isn’t Gods words implying it’s written by man then why weren’t the words changed to reflect that it’s round? That’s because you are misinterpreting the words.

    And what are you talking about intolerance. Islam teaches exactly the opposite. Does it “accept” homosexually? Of course not neither does any religion but it’s doesn’t say to Mistreat them, Islam and prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sent as a mercy to all mankind. He spent most of his life reaching out to guide people of “other beliefs” not kill them. It promotes murder and stoning? Interesting, show me a verse within its context. You can only kill when being attacked or driven out of your home. Plain and simple.

    • Dave Post author

      // And what are you talking about intolerance. Islam teaches exactly the opposite. Does it “accept” homosexually? Of course not //

      Er … that’s called “Intolerance”.

      // it’s doesn’t say to Mistreat them //

      Abu Dawud’s authoritative hadith collection records a report from Abdullah ibn Abbas (Book 38, Number 4447):

      The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done (38:4447).

  • Earl

    “And the earth, moreover, hath He made egg shaped.”
    [Al-Qur’an 79:30]

    The Arabic word for egg here is dahaahaa1 which means an ostrich-egg. The shape of an ostrich-egg resembles the geo-spherical shape of the earth. Thus the Qur’an correctly describes the shape of the earth, though the prevalent notion when the Qur’an was revealed was that the earth was flat.

    • It's flat

      Daha; to spread out,to flatten… this in an association to ostrich nest.. not an egg. UHIYA; based on same arabic root is ostrich nest. The earth is also immovable as we are taught in Quran… earth has no movement. Spread like a carpet(flat) the sun and moon chase each other and have there own orbit… again the bible also confirms this flat earth.. and it is flat.

    • Moy

      It’s correct.. cause the earth is flat… again the bible confirms this also. You really beleive NASA? Those false pictures cgi? Common sense and scientific observation is your answer. The Quran is right. This sounds ridiculous but only cause we been indoctrined from birth on this huge Lie. Why do you think we are not allowed to go to the antartic circle? That’s where the dome starts… the stars rotate around us… look at the star time lapse… and we’re supposedly spinning orbiting sun and pulled with the sun at fast speeds… yet these stars are making perfect circles? Why does the horizon never fall when you take flight? Always at eye level… it’s no globe .. horizon needs to fall on a globe. Water does not curve either… gravity is only a thoery… look at the nasa launches… they always level out .. there is no space. All cgi… look into this.. it’s worth your time. But open your mind first

  • Jessy Suryanegara

    Maybe the egg-shaped and spread out like carpet means that the earth is like the shape of an egg content, so it matched with the bible earth looks i think, because we live under the firmament, imagine the egg yolk is our earth, thats why the koran said it. God will always guide us to the truth if we seek!

        • Moy

          Not at all.. far from a spinning ball…. bible mentions a solid dome above us.. water above the dome… the ancients are right… you beleive in Hollywood and nasa lies.. just look into it.. i could stamp many verses here but do your research.. just put bible verses flat earth and this will make so much sense… do debunk this just yet til you look into it. The earth is flat. Give it a shot

    • Barry Billybob Orion Shabaz

      Quran 77:25 – 77: 27 invalidates the flat earth theory, as a container cannot contain something if it is indeed flat. This is sheer indication of Life/Death being inside a container flying through space containing mountains/rivers and things to support life. Which is atypical of most (possibly all, won’t deny) other objects and containersin space.

      Have We not made the earth a container

      Of the living and the dead?

      And We placed therein lofty, firmly set mountains and have given you to drink sweet water.

  • Mahmoud

    Quraan says earth is round in these verses
    Azzumur:
    5) He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power – He Who forgives again and again?

    There are other verses and notions about it but I can’t recall then now, and for the mentioned verses they mean Allah swt made earth spread for you.with respect to your size on it to live, build and cultivate on it and spread your roads, and if you knew Arabic, you would be sure it doesn’t suggest earth is flat

    • Malik

      Ok we can agree on it that Quran says earth is spherical like ostrich egg or round but not flat. But even then we go through the findings of Aristotle which were proposed before the emergence of Quran. And in those findings Aristotle declared that the Earth was a sphere (based on observations he made about which constellations you could see in the sky as you travelled further and further away from the equator). Aristotle’s demonstration was so compelling that a spherical Earth was the central assumption of all subsequent philosophers of the Classical era. Following are the observation for which he deduced the shperical shape of earth.
      • Persons living in southern lands see southern constellations higher above the horizon than those living in northern lands.
      • The shadow of the Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse is round.
      • The fact that objects fall to Earth towards its center means that if it were constructed of small bits of matter originally, these parts would naturally settle into a spherical shape.
      Aristotle’s arguments for the spherical shape of the Earth are given in On the Heavens , Book 2, Part 14 (350 BCE).

      So Quran is right and you are right. But the idea of round or spherical shape is extracted from the Aristotle finding and in science it is called plagiarism. And it also makes Quranic verses controversial more precisely man made stories.

  • Barry Billybob Orion Shabaz

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm This link should sum it up quite nicely, nice psuedo-research they have here on this site. But proper references and citations required. Real Science is not beveling in he said/she said rhetoric. A well studied individual in the language of Arabic (not just classical, or modern, but ancient, North/South etc.) would easily render the passage as saying the earth is round.

    Etymological uses of daHaha fit into the context of how it was used 1500 years ago, is quote obvious.

    Also, Quran 77:25 – 77: 27 invalidates the flat earth theory, as a container cannot contain something if it is indeed flat. This is sheer indication of Life/Death being inside a container flying through space containing mountains/rivers and things to support life. Which is atypical of most (possibly all, won’t deny) other objects and containers in space.

  • mohamad rasol allah

    Brother, you do not speak Arabic and criticize the Qur’an. This first, our understanding of the states of non-translated. Qur’an mentioned states for spherical Earth
    And what about the four corners of the earth in the Bible fake

  • G H

    We have to be careful here for the Bible states God holds the stars and planets in place and that was mis-interpreted to mean everything revolves around the earth, the geo-centric philosophy which Galileo and Copernicus proved to be wrong, the former almost giving his life speaking that heresy. The carpet analogy is clumsy at best and could quite well mean to some poorly-read people in the islamic world the earth is in fact flat.

    To me, the true contradiction of the koran/quran is in 5:46&47. It is no secret the book alludes to Jesus and the Torah, and the Gospel of Jesus. The problem arises in they feel MAN has interpolated God’s word incorrectly, introducing a polytheistic model. So Allah then tells the followers of the Gospel to judge what is revealed within the Bible. Wait- you believe the Bible is FALLIBLE, yet you incite it to be worthy of reflection, introspection and spiritual guidance? Typical earthly wisdom being revealed as a falsehood by the Holy Spirit and virtue.

  • JT

    If the thought of Muhammad (pbuh) was superstitious, And if wasn’t based on afflatus (his revelation of divine), he never dared to invite man to “science”, So where in the holly Quran about 950 times has been spoken , the science, thought and wisdom (reason). (Henry Corbin)
    Philosopher, theologian and professor of Islamic Studies.

  • mike.w

    then the quran is by gods breath in this regard because obviously you are slow to understand the arguments being waged on the flat earth model….by the way the bible subscribes to the same laws….gravity is a unproven theory at best…….go argue with eric dubay and rob skiba and watch mr science leave with his tail between his legs…….tell me stupid…why does fresh water not respond to tidal variations?….A….salt….figure that and the electrical conductivity therein and youre half way to becoming a flat earther….bigot

  • Enric

    Noche and good. Mohammed was a peadofile and bla, bla…

    BUT, where it speaks about the ‘earth’ it seems to refer to the LAND MASSES, and these can be perfectly interpreted as flat layers on a sphere.

    The bible, at least the Old Testament was written in the Bronze Age by a bunch of shepherds in the backwaters of Civilization, no wonder that they thought the earth was flat. Much the same anybody and the dog did at that time.

    The Koran (which I use as toilet paper, of course) was written in the VI century by a nation that made a living form trade with Europe and Asia through both the sea and the Silk Road… And the sphericity of the earth was already common knowledge during the Roman Empire.

    Yes, it’s fun and OK to bash them friggin’ towelheads, but if your site has ‘science’ in the title you should at least know what you are talking about mate.

    Greetings to Mr Trump

  • Muhammad Ijaz

    Dear in the Quran Allah Says , Allah giving hidayath ( straight way ) through Quran to the People who looking for Right path and Also Gumrah ( Miss guide ) People who do not want the Right Path.

    For your Objection I have a Answer but in Quran Allah Says:

    Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe.

    Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah bro i know these verses…. in the starting of surah Baqarah right? But if you have the answer, explain it! Give this man a hard time! Go on

  • Yahya

    Sorry why you write a big article like this and you don’t know anything about the Arabic language or Islamic science? You present a translation that is really badly manipulated without any reference of an Islamic known scolar or any reference to the Islamic interpretation. For every verse in the Quran we have an interpretation from our Prophet , peace be upon him, how to understand verses. The verses in Arabic are not mentioning any kind of carpet, so the whole article is based on nothing.
    Please check these articles instead, these articles are made from people with Islamic knowledge:
    http://www.truth-seeker.info/quran-science-2/the-seven-earths/
    http://www.truth-seeker.info/quran-science-2/astronomy-proves-the-quran-as-the-word-of-god/

    • TJ

      the author quoted a saudi islamic scholar at the bottom. what more proof do you want about the translation. saudi arabic is the arabic of the Quran no?

  • J

    JUST LOOKING AT THOERIES OF FLAT EART BY PRF BYRD AND THEN ALSO THIS LINK WITH AN OPEN MIND LET ME SAY, DONT LET MY :

    USE IMAGINTAION AND THINK OUTSIDE OF BOX ASLWELL AS LOOKING AT DEPTHS OF DEFINITIONS- COOL MAN YOUR VIEW IS ISLAM IS WRONG FINE- BUT STILL MAYBE THE EARTH IS NOT AS ROUND AS WE ALL THOUGHT (OR IT IS ROUND WITH AN INVISIBILE DPME SHILED THAT MAKLES IT ROUND/ OR EGG SHAPED (AIR AIND CLOUDS, SKY, LYERS OF SKY)) SPREAD FROM ONE WHOLE PIECE OUTWARDS, CARPET TEXTILES (ARABAIAN TIMES).

    OPEN YOUR MIND, P.S YOU SOUND ANGRY IN YOUR VERY LOGICALLY REASONED COUNTER ARGUMENTS- NO DOUBT IF THIS SIMPLE EMAIL CHALLENGES YOU ENOGU WILL FIND A REBUTTAL ONCE AGAIN AND YEH IT MIGHT BUG ME (DEPENDING ON MY MOOD) BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH POSTIVIE MEDIATTIONS PRAYERS AND THINGS THAT PROMOTE PEACEFUL THOUGHTS AND HARMANNY EVEN IN CONFLICT! YOU WANT TO CRTEATE CONFLICT IN CONFLICT SO IT APEARS. TRUE PEACE AND TRUE JUSTICE.

    P.S NO TIME TO GO BACK CORRECT SPEELLING AND GRAMMER ETC TO IMPRESS YOU , ONE FURTHER WAY TO ATTACK ME, DISARMED.

    LIGHTHOUSE FAMILY – QUESTION OF FAITH- JUST COZ YOU AINT GOT IT DONT KILL OTHERS MR SMART BRAIN PANTS, ATHIEST LOVE KILLING THE HEARTS OF THOSE LONELY DESPERATE PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET WHO TRULY JUST NEED SOME LOVE AND FAITH

    PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE WITH YOU ANDF MAY GOD SHOW YOU YOUR GOOD RIGHT PEACEFUL PATH. SHALOM, SALAAM, PEACE.

    ROGERED YOU, OVER AND OUT.

  • Talel

    I don’t know how much the writer of this article know about arabic language but I am a native arabic speaker and when I hear the word دحاها dahaha(quran 79:30) all I think about is round things, I am from tunisia and we use this word to refere to a fat person , women booty, or round object even kids says dahdah(دحدح) to refer to the grand wheel

  • Mohammed

    The writer of this article doesn’t seem to understand a word of arabic. The word mahdan (which is your strongest claim of a flat earth…which is what your bible says ‘btw’) it means in the ‘context’ that God Almighty made earth a peacful place for living for human beings and for them to spread wherever they want across it seeking life! Ask any arab to translate the verse for you, and don’t use google translate. See, the beauty of Quran is that i can read it in my mother tongue and understand it, and I never need to listen to haters like yourself trying to make up false translations. I feel you though, i know that false translations are plenty in the bible.

  • fiaz

    nowhere in the qur’an is mention made of the earth being eggshaped. In fact reference is made of a dome above us in verses where mentioned is made of when the sky is cleft assunder or rent assunder. You cannot expect gases to fall to the earth only a solid object which the sky is.

  • Nedro

    Let’s assume the Qur’an is the book of an All-Mighty Omniscient God. Being the Word of God, the Qur’an must be eternal yet, because of the limits of space-time that creation is caught in, the message of the Book should also
    consider the knowledge of the human beings of the day. After all, since the Qur’an was first revealed to 6th century Arabs, it is necessary that it makes sense to them in order for them to popularize it so that its message grows and expands to all peoples at all times. Standing as we do now in this day and age with our knowledge and achievements, our imaginations really have no limits as to what is humanly possible. This has not always been the case, which is a reality that is unfathomable to us. From his vantage point in history, the modern human is often indiscernibly biased in his understanding of the world. That is to say, we, as modern individuals, take for granted information that we view as common sense today and fall into the error of assuming that this was always the case. The Earth being round is one such fact that we take for granted. It has been so thoroughly proven and accepted in today’s world that we believe it as common sense, despite the fact that if we were to use only our five senses without any aids, we would naturally default to an immediately perceived understanding derived from the limitations of our senses, which is that the world is flat. Indeed, if we were to take a person born in modern times and drop him off as an infant on a desert island devoid of any modern trappings, the odds are that this person, without any scientific instruments, or mathematics or inherited knowledge whatsoever, would conceive the world as he or she has been exposed, which would be as flat. That would be a very natural conclusion and was in fact the default understanding that the vast majority of humanity had until the invention of glass lenses, and the discovery of the mathematics and astronomy. Now, returning to the Qur’an, a book believed by Muslims to be revealed by an Omniscient All-Mighty God to an Arab in 6th Century Arabia: given the limitations of time-space and the reality of what we know today and what was known then, how could any message consider those conflicting realities and harmonize the message so that its end product is an eternal, universal message? The only way to do this is to do what the Qur’an does, by employing words with compounded meanings. Arabic, the language of the Qur’an, with its root structure, allows for an array of compounded meaning to be derived from its words, which create interpretations that individuals in different times and places can derive meaning from. The way the Qur’an describes the Earth is such an example and there are a myriad of examples where the language allows flexibility so that different people with different biases can see what they want from the text, with the possibility that neither is wholly or partially wrong. The Qur’an evens mentions that it can be used to either guide a person aright or “cause them to err”, meaning to reinforce their disbelief in it (2:26). That said, not all things are open to debate, since the wording on many topics are as clear as day. One such topic is the infallibility of the Qur’an and its state of being free from discrepancy (4:82). This was known among the contemporaries of Muhammad, which is why the traditions and the Qur’an itself are full of references to instances when Muhammad was challenged in order to reveal discrepancies. Now imagine being an Arab who is a contemporary of Muhammad and a verse of the Qur’an was revealed stating in clear, unambiguous terms that the Earth is round. Would that not have appeared to all of his contemporaries as a clear error vis-a-vis their common sense at the time? That revelation alone, at that time, could have very well been the death knell of Islam as a new religion. Look at what happened to Galileo and Copernicus, and they had scientific instruments and empirical evidence to corroborate their conclusion and still that was insufficient for the powers-to-be in their times. How would it have been any different among the highly superstitious and rudimentary Arabs of Muhammad’s time? Instead, what the Qur’an does is reveal a known reality to the Arabs at the time in order for them to understand the blessings God had given to them as their Creator, while using wording that provides an “Easter egg” (for lack of a better expression) for later, more sophisticated generations to come to understand. For example, when the Qur’an described the land as a carpet, this is evident to the Arabs at the time, but what is interesting is that the wording for “madad”, translated more accurately as “spreading out” in order to comply with “carpet” in 15:19, likewise for “mahdan” in 20:53, convey a meaning of something being rolled out or unspun. Carpets, as we all know, are seen almost exclusively in two states, flat or rolled up. When rolled up, it tends to show an irregular circular shape along its fringes yet when rolled out into its inert state, it is flat. Also, it is evident that a carpet acts as a cover placed upon what is beneath it, so it ultimately is subjective as to what it lays upon. The Qur’an then does not make the mistake of saying the earth was cast or paved or painted but rather that the earth that we see before us has been unspun like carpet, conveying the sense that God has given us the expanse that we can see of Earth for our disposal like a host lays out a carpet, bed or table for a guest. In this sense, the “earth-as-carpet acts more like a metaphor than definitive simile that can give rise to a syllogism, although as a simile, it is not a wholly incorrect one for any person reading it, not for the Arabs of Muhammad’s time who see what it says as evident and what we can surmise from its meaning today. We know today that the Earth is spherical, and that the Earth has layers and yes, a good simile we can use to explain the function of the upper crust of the Earth, the only one we see and experience on an everyday level, is as a carpet, since it is a cover for what is below it. It is flat as far as the limited vantage point of an individual standing nearly anywhere upon it, whether that be today or 6th Century Arabia. The reality is that the syllogism of the Qur’an stating the Earth is like a carpet and thus the earth is flat never caught on with the Muslims, which is evident in the fact that Muslims, both religious and scientific scholars, for hundreds of years unanimously agreed upon the roundness of the Earth and never took the Qur’an to be contradictory of that fact or used it as an impediment towards accepting it as a fact.

  • Maika

    First of it wasn’t NASA who said the earth was round. You guys should head down to the beach and see when the boats fail down when they reach the end of the water and disappear from your sight: I bet that happens a lot. I don’t really speak Arabic so I can’t argue with the translation issues but somewhere I read that the quran agrees with the expanding universe but at the same time it says the sky is like a roof on the earth. For the life of me I have never seen an expanding roof.

  • Osman Khondoker

    MOTHERFUCKER FAKE ALLHA , CHILD RAPEST LIAR MOHAMMADS FUNNY RELIGION .ALLHA MUST BE A MAN AND CRAZY FOR VARGINE HURIES !

    • Hunter

      Alif-Lam-Mim. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Quran and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings].
      This is the Book (the Quran), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun [the pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)].

  • Bahy

    Also the word falak فلك is used which means a rotating pathway (فلكه) each moves in it’s own falak.. this word used each time describing the moon, sun and earth movements

  • Bahy

    [Quran 39.5] [Allah] Created the heavens and the Earth in truth. He overlaps [Yukawer in Arabic] the night over the day and overlaps [Yukawer يُكَوِّرُ] the day over the night, and enslaved the sun and the moon. ALL MOVE (Kullon Yajree كل يجري) move to a prerecorded destiny. Is He not the Exalted, the Forgiver?
    The Arabic word “Kura” means ball; its verb “Yukawer” means: to make into a ball. The Quran says that the overlapping of the night and the day makes a ball (sphere)

  • Elyas

    Earth might be flat, who knows. There are so many nonreligious folks out there that believe Earth is flat, and NASA has been fooling us into believing in a round Earth. Quran does not earn anything by stating that Earth is flat several times. But NASA and those who seek to hide the real truth have much to gain by hiding the flatness of Earth. Saying this i still am not sure who’ s right in this delimma.

  • Tony

    That the moon was split in two. That Noah built a boat to put animals on two by two. There’s not enough water in the world…. Including all the clouds condensed and then It still couldn’t submerge the planet. A boat would would have to be a super super super super super tanker to get each species on. That would mean lions and flys wolf’s and sheep deciding to be friends for a 40 days. But hang on what about food for all the animals? And this was before Jesus. Wonder where the blue print for engineering that boat went. Then the prophet Mohammed flying of to paradise on a winged horse cat figure. C’mon!!!! If the moon split this would cause the world to spin out of control. Tides and countries affected would be insane.

    Remember…. If God was the creator of everything. He knows everything blah blah. Who created God? Now let there be…. Some rubbish about some verse where it’s hard to get the translation right.

    At the end of the day. Religion has a part in people’s lives. Science has a part in others. But me if there is a hell I’m going there. It’ll be a better laugh.

  • David

    The Bible says the Earth is flat (so no point mocking the Qur’an). If the Qur’an says it is flat then they are in tune.
    There is a exponentially going movement that states the Earth is Flat.
    That the Earth is quite possibly as the Bible describes.
    NASA is a massive hoax. We never went to the Moon. There are no photos of the Earth from space showing the globe – not one. They are all composites and artist impressions.
    Keep up folks, the Earth is Flat. Flat Earth Theory is here to stay.

    • Arshad

      Arabic is very deep language and translation from arabic to english might be wrong. there is no carpet mentioned in verse if you translate work by word. and earth is flat for us if you travel all over the world you will never feel it round.our brain understands it as flat.scientifically there is difference between what you see the things around you and how they are made,
      switch you dimension of understanding you will find it correct.

  • wong

    what is wrong id Qur’an says earth is flattened so you can live in? :)
    Can you plant vegetables on earth?
    Can you build a home?
    Can you travel around the world?
    That is flattened for.
    So, what is wrong in that? haha you are funny.

      • Tony

        I challenge anyone can give me 1 prove that there is one thing wrong in Quran.

        Ants can’t talk! Will that do? And don’t bother posting that drivel from Islamic apologists that claim there’s a species of ant that can make an audible noise, as that doesn’t equate to the complex language that teh talking ants are using in the Qur’an.

        • Saqlain

          Mate, Robert Hickling, one of the notable researcher , said” ants don’t respond to the human voices nor are they affected by it. But when we direct it to suitable vibrations, it is affected and respond to them. This means that ants have their own language and they are completely like human beings”
          The Phil De Vries discovered that insects release weak acoustic vibrations that ants can distinguish; the aphid, secretes a sugary substance that ants like, this insect releases vibrations during its work that ants pick and consequently rush to their livelihood. Thus acoustic vibrations are tools of communication among insects.

          Look, currently with our science we haven`t done too much work into ants. We don`t know too much about them. And its very possible that they do actually communicate. Also, even if we were to test all the species of the world and found they can not communicate, the ants talked about here are from thousands of years ago. There`s definitely a chance that they could communicate. And of course as I`ve quoted above, theres some science which agrees with my points but im sure you can find points against as well.

          And He (i.e., Allah) it is Who created the night and the day, the sun and the moon. They float, each in a falak (The Noble Quran, 21:33). Ibn Abbas says: A falaka like that of a spinning wheel. Just saying that to say that the quran actually says that the world is round

          Oh and you can ask me about any “contradictions/mistakes” in the Quran.

          • Dave Post author

            Saqlain,

            There is no issue with the observation that ants communicate, however that is not the claim. If you read Sura 27: 18-19 then you discover that the claim is that Mohammed could not only hear the ants talking, but that they talked to each other in a language that he understood, and that is clearly not factual by any measure. The precise text reads …

            Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants, an ant said, “O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not.”

            So [Solomon] smiled, amused at her speech, and said, “My Lord, enable me to be grateful for Your favor which You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents and to do righteousness of which You approve. And admit me by Your mercy into [the ranks of] Your righteous servants.”

            Regarding the cosmology in the quran, the verse you quote simply confirms the prevailing flat earth view. Here are three quite good translations of the Sura you quoted ..

            PICKTHALL
            And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.

            SHAKIR
            And He it is Who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all (orbs) travel along swiftly in their celestial spheres.

            YUSUF ALI
            It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its rounded course.

            Here we have a flat earth and over it the sun and moon move. Today we now know that it is the earth that orbits the sun. The sun does not move, the earth does, so you would need to explain why Allah did not know that.

  • Zack

    What I am gonna say is quite funny to most of you but it’s true.
    The Qur’an is a great book and those sentences don’t refer to Flat or Round earth, if you believe the earth is round then you will think that those verses are talking about the earth as Land and not as a planet. And if you think the earth is flat then you will see those verses as if they are saying that the earth is flat. But in reality we don’t know.
    They are not clear. And the English translation is not perfect, Translations can never be perfect 100% Any translator will understand what I mean.

    Now to Round Earth Believers, please double check if the earth is really round, I am sure you are thinking now, what a dumba**. It’s ok if you call me that now, That’s normal, I accept it. I used to call Flat Earthers the same thing few years ago but after doing my own researches I discovered myself that the earth is not round, I have no idea what the hell it is but I can prove to y’all with my poor equipments that the earth is not what they told us it is.

    So it can be flat as it looks like, and it’s better to stop making fun of Qur’an or Flat Earthers, because the earth is NOT round. and if you think it is then prove it.
    Or show me just one REAL picture of the round earth. A real one.
    They say they got 20.000 satellites in the sky, so tell them to give us one real picture of the whole earth. We should have millions of Real pictures of the earth by now. I know you are thinking now about GPS and Google Earth.
    You should know that the pictures in Google Earth are not made by satellites Google company says that itself.
    And GPS only works with Mobile Towers. There are no Satellites in the sky and all you got is CGI images. You got nothing real, they brainwashed all of us and it’s time to wake up.

    By the way, the gravity does not exist neither. And you can’t prove its existance. You can only prove it if the earth was round but once you discover the earth is not round, the Gravity will stop making sense to you.

    Wake up

  • Ismail

    A bed is not completely flat, a carpet is not completely flat, and the earth is not completely flat! There is no statement in the Quran saying the earth is flat not one but maybe you brain is flat! Even the evidence you use doesn’t state the earth is flat so maybe your brain is a sientific enomoly.

  • Haz

    Dave
    It’s the opposite quran incerage science please google islamic science.

    Night comer star, how could a human knew that 1400 year ago.

    The golden ratio in Quran , pure science. Please google Golden ratio in Quran

    The list goes on and on

    • Dave Gamble Post author

      As I pointed out … you can do this with any text at all … there is nothing magic here …

      MATHEMATICAL MIRACLES IN MOBY DICK:

      The word IRON appears 85 times. The word METAL appears 10 times.

      85+10=95

      Atomic Number of Iron = 26, Atomic Weight = 55, Total Isotopes = 14,

      55+26+14=95

      Word construct appears 1 time,
      Word Create appears 1 time,
      Word Water appears 5 times,
      Word Air Appears 2 times
      1+1+5+2=9

      Hydrogen Atomic Nubmer = 1, Oxygen Atomic Nubmer = 8

      8+1=9.

      Today, scientists tell us, both hydrogen and oxygen combines to gives us water. MIRACLE!

      And many assasination were predicted in the holy Moby Dick: http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html

      How could have Herman Melville (PBUH) known this scientific facts? Unbelievers will tell you that it’s all by chance – they’re too blind to see the miracles !!

        • Dave Gamble Post author

          The Reality is that the Egyptians recorded exactly the same long before the quran was written. This is also part of ancient Libyan mythology that states the same. It is not exactly a huge leap to see it being copied and repeated in the Quran. In fact Verses 53:45-46 are so similar to Ra’s masturbation text from Egypt that it would breach modern copyright laws if they applied then.

          To be 100% clear … 53:45-46 … is a copy of a text that predated the Qur’an by about 2,900 years as evidenced by the pyramid text of Pharaoh Pepi I, 2332-2283 BC …

          … so given that Ra clearly was a god that was divinely inspired because he inspired “modern scientific” information, can I now assume that you will soon be abandoning Islam and worshiping the Egyptian god Ra?

          • Challenger

            I know 53:45-46 is a plagiarism without any citation. But there is a problem. Pyramid text of Pepi was written approximately 3000 years before Quran and in hieroglyphs. That pyramid text came to our knowledge after discovery of that text and discovery of reading and understanding of egyptian hieroglyphs. So far I know JF Chapollion discovered reading and understanding of hieroglyphs in 19 century. Now question is How the author of the Quran know this fact without discovering pyramid text and hieroglyphs? Does it make the author very special? Could you please show you scholarship in this matter?

  • Haz

    Dear Dave,
    If it was like you said some human wrote it, then help me out to answer this. First, dont forgot that Quran was there 600 years after Jesus peace be upon him and the Quran book was not change till today.
    What I’ll tell you is one of many things , that today science just discovered. It was in Quran 1400 years ago.


    Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example – that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, “What did Allah intend by this as an example?” He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient,”

    2. In the following slides, we will mention some of thebiological skills of the mosquitoes, these will explainthe wisdom behind the mention of the mosquitoin this verse.Please note that the verse says that the mosquitoes carry or host a smaller creatures. These can’t be seen unless magnified by the electronic microscope. Recently a very tiny creature is photographed on the back of the mosquito.This proves that this book is revealed from God.

    There are many facts not only this
    Thanks

    • Dave Gamble Post author

      // In the following slides //
      Cutting and pasting does not cut it.

      You need to step back and ask yourself if taking a vague quote from an ancient religious text and crowbarring in a modern meaning is meaningful? (Hint: it’s not, you can do this with any text at all).

      For example …

      Scientific miracles mentioned in Moby dick that cannot be told by a human decades ago.

      Those scientific miracles are being confirmed today by the scientists.

      Osteoporosis: “It was in Queen Anne’s time that the bone was in its glory” [..] (Chapter lxxv – THE RIGHT WHALE’S HEAD – CONTRASTED VIEW)

      Evolution: “That all creatures of the land are of their kind in the sea”[…] (Chapter lviii – BRIT)

      Red Nebula: “Stubb longed for vermillion star” […]

      Big Bang: “and the ball, and the explosion; so the graceful repose of the line” [..] (Chapter lx – THE LINE).

      Now if the quran actually contained explicit information previously unknown, that would be impressive, but drill down into all these “modern science in the quran” claims, and you quite honestly do not find that.

      One other observation, most mainstream Islamic scholars also dismiss this “Modern Science in the Quran” claim that only really emerged in the 1970s … for a reason. So you don’t just need to persuade us, you also need to persuade them.

  • Dave Gamble Post author

    Actually no … the reality is that the Quran is simply a book that some humans wrote their beliefs into. The fact that it contains a flat earth with a roof over it cosmology confirms that.

  • Nasr

    The Creator ask His creations to think about the surface of earth being spread out flat with provision with waters . And when one thinks about it, you get to compare it with the surface found on moon and it being waterless. Basically it talks about God being the Provider and His creations need to heed His decree

  • mobaisch (@mobaisch)

    I dont know how much you feel better now playing in words to spread false info like this. I am not a fan of the religion, i am also not a fan of stupid people act out of hate.
    “مَهْدًا = mahdan “: any child who grew up speaking arabic and reached 7 years old, could tell you that such word is mainly to indicate “home”. Yes derived from baby bed, but therefore generally used to indicate where someone belongs! if you want to use the literal meaning of it, then you can ONLY use it for a baby bed!!!!!!!
    my case is closed.

  • Osama

    you admit the passage clearly says the earth is “smooth” not flat… are you disputing the earth is smooth? a billiard ball has a tolerance of 0.22%. THe earth doesn’t exceed 0.17%. (http://en.islamtoday.net/node/667)

    The earth, as described in the Quran, is smooth, not flat. You deny that your house is on a level surface, like a bed or carpet? It does not say the whole world is flat.

    • adore

      the earth is not smooth. Even a baby shd know that. Dont you see the hills and the valleys? The mountains and the gullies? compare mount everest and the deepest points of the earth. Come on please.

      • mobaisch (@mobaisch)

        I dont know how much you feel better now playing in words to spread false info like this. I am not a fan of the religion, i am also not a fan of stupid people act out of hate.
        “مَهْدًا = mahdan “: any child who grew up speaking arabic and reached 7 years old, could tell you that such word is mainly to indicate “home”. Yes derived from baby bed, but therefore generally used to indicate where someone belongs! if you want to use the literal meaning of it, then you can ONLY use it for a baby bed!!!!!!!