Is the COVID Vaccine “experimental”?

COVID Vaccine “experimental”
Army Spc. Angel Laureano holds a vial of the COVID-19 vaccine, Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, Bethesda, Md., Dec. 14, 2020. (DoD photo by Lisa Ferdinando)

When you hear somebody label the COVID vaccine as “experimental”, then that is an immediate red flag that announces “Here is a potential anti-vaccine crank”. It is not always the case, but it usually is.

What exactly is “experimental” about a vaccine that has not only been through very robust phase III clinical trials, but has also had literally billions of doses deployed?

For every whacky claim there is of course a Facebook posting that will supposedly validate it. Sanity tip: If anybody is citing either “Facebook” or “YouTube” then you can more or less guarantee that it is wrong.

Key Statement of Fact: COVID-19 vaccines authorised for use are not experimental and have all completed animal and clinical trials. 

What is this really about?

It’s a tactic. The term “experimental” perhaps stems from the observation that the COVID vaccines are available under The Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).

Rather obviously it is not released as a scientific “experiment”, the vaccines are way beyond that. There is a lot of data available that grants insights into both the safety and effectiveness of the various vaccines . That was true when they got the EUA. After literally billions of doses being deployed, it is even more so now.

Deploying this term is a way to invoke fear within the minds of the unwary.

Another term that is often deployed to scare people is “gene therapy”. Such language is not designed to inform, bur rather to manipulate and scare people.

What else can we observe?

In a recent “discussion” with somebody who labelled the vaccine (pick any, the the several now available) as “experimental”, I also was advised of the following …

You are far better off just taking Vitamin D

(Insert sound of my jaw hitting the floor here)

The quick short answer is, no, that’s BS. The slightly longer answer is more complicated. It just might reduce the duration of symptoms for some people who have a Vit D deficiency. What it will not do is reduce the risk of acute respiratory tract infection in any way. For those that toss about the word “experimental”, you will find that they quite happily embrace totally unproven “experimental” approaches such as this, yet reject a vaccine that has been very robustly proven to work.

Bottom line. Be ware of those that deploy such terms.

What Happens Now?

The UK government has decided to remove all restrictions July 19th. With the Delta variant rapidly escalating this is quite frankly insane. Tragically the people this will impact the most are those who have been convinced that the one sure way forward, is bogus and “experimental”, hence refused the vaccine.

For those that might suggest that most will not die, and so all will be well, I should point out that long-COVID is not exactly a basket of fun. COVID for many is not just a bad flu. You really really do not want to get COVID, and so your best bet right now is the well-proven vaccine.

This is probably a cue for the folks who dish out the “experimental” term to claim that I’m obviously in the pay of big-pharma. If so, then that’s my cue to roll my eyes.

The very big Picture – Where are we right now?

Via here

  • 24.4% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.
  • 3.25 billion doses have been administered globally, and 34.81 million are now administered each day. 
  • Only 1% of people in low-income countries have received at least one dose.

We are in a race to get on top of it all. The longer it persists the more probable it is for new variants to emerge.

12 thoughts on “Is the COVID Vaccine “experimental”?”

  1. Dave – on your third point, if you live in Australia, the corruption is as clear as the nose on your face. So much suppression of freedom, medical licenses and practically all others threatened, government funding threatened, censorship, coverups, media lies and layer upon layer of coercion and loss of livelihood that has crushed human liberty and spirit. They continue to break promises, use sticks and carrots to forcefully persuade the gullible public. They constantly go for the hip pocket and basic survival to bully the public into getting the celebrated jab. Meanwhile cases hit all time high just as the vaccines also hit all time high which is highly coincidental! “She’ll be right mate” – well not anymore. We are a nation that is as weak as piss and being urinated on by our political leaders who are there not for the public but for Big Pharma. I am ashamed and disgusted with our nation that has always upheld the Australian spirit but over the past decades has reduced to tyranny.

    Own own TGA refuse to acknowledge their own database of adverse effects totaling over 550 deaths from vaccine. Now they are considering giving to children 5-11 when the disease is a NON-ISSUE to this age group and deaths and ongoing medical issues are likely due to vaccine injury as indicated in their own reporting. Pfizer and Astra sponsored political lobbyists issuing threats to our leaders if they do not comply with vaccine rollout urgency propaganda. What the fuck is that all about!

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  2. Dave, you constantly cite only MSM, “fact check” disinformation internet agents, and other such established sources of fakery. These are all misinformation constructs. To quote the former CIA Director William Colby, “The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”

    Do you not realise that the reason why every mainstream source spoon-feeds the exact same wording to the brainwashed masses (word-for-word across hundreds of global media organisations) is because the script isn’t written by the media. It’s written by their controllers. You need to look behind the curtain.

    I can always tell someone who is either brainwashed or a paid-for agent of the control system, because they use terms like “conspiracy theorist” (documented CIA constructed term from the 1960s given to the media to feed to the masses for purpose of covering up the truth); far-right, debunked, crank, whacky, nut etc etc. CIA whistleblowers and documents from the last 50 years clearly reveal these are terms spoon-fed by the CIA and other such criminal agencies to discredit those who are telling the truth.

    So I ask myself, are you a paid asset or simply a naive blogger? I guess the jury is out on that one. One thing is for sure, so many people have now awakened to the reality that the ‘scientific community’ is now facing total destruction, because of the amount of bought and paid for so-called scientists (Bill Gates, a corrupt computer businessman, heads that scientific community) that have consistently lied to the people over the last two-years. What is clear is that everything the ‘conspiracy nuts’ have said since the start of 2020 has been proven to have come about, whereas everything the so-called ‘approved’ experts have said has been shown to be either total lies or simply naive and bad information. If the world had listened to people like Dr Mercola and others like him from the very beginning, millions of lives and billions of livelihoods would have been saved.

    Sadly, I somehow don’t think that you will never wake up, because your denial to look beyond the scotch mist is probably too deeply engrained. It would take such a large amount of true human character to pull yourself out of the brainwashed rut that you are clearly currently drowning in.

    Lastly, ‘The Nuremberg Code’ has only been discredited by those I mention above. This again illustrates your narrow-minded research. If you check the ‘facts’, you will discover something very different. The most important thing to understand is that in a democracy, the people decide what is valid and what is not. It doesn’t take the majority of people, it only takes an enthused minority of them. If only 10% of people in a few countries decide to hold a second Nuremberg trials, it will surely happen. No great social change in history has needed more than 2% of the populace to come to fruition. If you look at the people’s comments and responses on any given number of YouTube videos, mainstream newspaper articles etc etc, you find the real truth, and that is that 80% of people are talking in line with the idea of something like a second Nuremberg trial, and up to 10% of them are actually using the word ‘Nuremberg’.

    Isn’t it wonderful that as we reach the 75th anniversary of that monumental trial and monumental code of law, the general public are re-educating themselves about the fact that international law and human rights place the individual’s sovereign status firmly over the tyranny of the the State and Big Pharma. Only those who support tyranny could ever argue with that sentiment!

    Long live the individual, and may they forever have their boot firmly placed upon the head of the State and the corporation!

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    • This is satire or performance art … right?

      Your comment is quite frankly hilarious. I confess I quite enjoyed these gems …
      – “fact check” disinformation internet agents … The CIA owns everyone…” … would that “everyone” include entities outside the US?
      – “I can always tell someone who is either brainwashed or a paid-for agent of the control system, because they use terms like “conspiracy theorist” … How do you know it’s not you, if it was you, you would not know it or be able to admit it?
      – And … “are you a paid asset” … I’ve not received my cheque yet, who can I complain to?
      – And … “the ‘scientific community’ is now facing total destruction” … they don’t appear to have noticed this, how do we advise them?

      Since we are playing crackpot bingo, we also get the mandatory reference to “Dr Mercola”, the guy who stopped being a Dr a rather long time ago because grifting by flogging overpriced supplements is so much more profitable. (Yes really).

      • because your denial to look beyond the scotch mist” … is this a reference to where you think I live or just a reverence to a beverage. If a beverage, I’ll have no ice in mine please.
      • Finally the almost obligatory NAZI reference … “The Nuremberg Code” … can I now invoke Godwins Law?

      As you can see from the above, I just don’t take your claim seriously.

      What is a rather interesting question might be this …
      – If indeed I take what you claim at face value, that all corporations and media outlets are being controlled and used to manipulate, then how exactly do you work out what is and is not true if you honestly adhered to a blanket dismissal like that?

      You might indeed cite YouTube videos and/or comments from people on Facebook, but by using your own standards of evidence, how can you possibly trust any of the content of these “CIA controlled” platforms or any other “CIA controlled” platform?

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  3. Dave,

    Firstly, it is not dishonest to state that the vaccines are still in clinical trials, but it certainly is dishonest to claim that their being in clinical trials does not make them experimental. In case you did not notice, these vaccines were issued under an ’emergency use’ order. I suppose that is standard too is it? They have that status because they are still in the experimental phase. Trump did something similar in or around 2017. He allowed ‘experimental’ drugs (still in the clinical trials stage), to be given to people who are close to death, if they wanted them. The average vaccine used to take a minimum of 10 years to go through its ‘experimental’ phase. That should give you some idea of the level of NON-STANDARD protocols they have been working under with this medical intervention. Which brings me on to a further very important point.

    Your article hinges on whether or not the vaccine is experimental, because if it is experimental ‘The Nuremberg Code’ is wholly relevant.
    “The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.” The Nuremberg Code (1947) Article 1

    There are many other important articles within the Nuremberg Code, which are highly relevant to the current situation, but it is true that the Nuremberg Code covers experimental medicine. I could go into how the term ‘experimental’ is highly subjective, in regards to the Nuremberg Code, but it is far easier to point you and others who are interested in how International Human Rights Laws protect the individual against any and all State over-reach in regards to injecting the public en masse, to the UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics & Human Rights (2005), which in essence, is the Nuremberg Code, super-charged and highly current, as the most recent piece of major International Human Rights Law. Here are some choice articles from that internationally legally binding treaty.

    FIRSTLY, NO NEED FOR ‘EXPERIMENTAL’ STATUS. Is it a medical or scientific ‘intervention’?? That’ll do!
    & CAN A PERSON WHO CHOOSES NOT TO BE JABBED, BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN ANY WAY? NOPE, NOT A CHANCE!

    “Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information.”
    UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics & Human Rights (2005) Article 6 (1)

    “Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention… may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.”
    UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics & Human Rights (2005) Article 6 (1)

    SECONDLY, IS SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH INVOLVED AT ALL IN THE PROCESS? That’ll do too!
    & AGAIN, CAN A PERSON WHO CHOOSES NOT TO BE PART OF SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH, BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN ANY WAY? NOPE, NOT LAWFULLY!

    “Scientific research should only be carried out with the prior, free, express and informed consent of the person concerned.”
    UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics & Human Rights (2005) Article 6 (2)

    “Scientific research… should include modalities for withdrawal of consent. Consent may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without any disadvantage or prejudice. Exceptions to this principle should be made only in accordance with ethical and legal standards… and international human rights law.”
    UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics & Human Rights (2005) Article 6 (2)

    CAN A PRESIDENT OR GOVERNMENT OVERRIDE THE INDIVIDUAL ‘INFORMED’ CONSENT? NOPE!!!

    “In no case should a collective community agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute for an individual’s informed consent.”
    UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics & Human Rights (2005) Article 6 (3)

    CAN YOU TEMPT PEOPLE TO BE JABBED WITH LOTTERIES, CASH OR BENEFITS? NOPE!
    “Benefits should not constitute improper inducements to participate in research.”
    UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics & Human Rights (2005) Article 15 (2)

    CAN EXPERTS, OR INDEED ANYONE, SUCH AS DR. MERCOLA BE SILENCED OR CENSORED? NOPE!!!
    “Informed pluralistic public debate, seeking the expression of all relevant opinions, should be promoted.”
    UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics & Human Rights (2005) Article 18 (3)

    AND LET’S FINISH WITH THESE TWO BEAUTIES, BECAUSE EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW THAT INTERNATIONAL LAW PLACES THE INDIVIDUAL FIRMLY OVER THE STATE AND THE SOCIETY AS A WHOLE!!!
    “The interests and welfare of the individual should have priority over the sole interest of science or society.”
    UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics & Human Rights (2005) Article 3 (2)

    “The autonomy of persons to make decisions… is to be respected.”
    UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics & Human Rights (2005) Article 5

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    • Your “Nuremberg Code” claim is nonsense and has been robustly debunked in many different places.

      For example here, and also here and even here, and in many other places.

      Chances of you actually reading any of that and actually addressing the very public rebuttals to your claim … zero.

      Your argument is not simply with me but is with more or less the entire scientific community within almost every nation state on the planet. Good luck with that.

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  4. Dave, the real problem is that you casually say “Evidence cited to validate any of this … nothing at all, nada.” as though simply saying it makes it somehow obviously the case.

    I have personally downloaded and saved thousands of pieces of individual evidence to back up everything I previously stated, and also what Dianne states too. I know that countless others have been doing the same throughout this monumental scam. As far as the media collaboration with Big Pharma is concerned, how many news videos of crisis actors would you like me to send you, or recruitment agency adverts for actors to appear as COVID victims or as doctors in hospitals. Yes, they are out of work actors. This is nothing new, but I’m sure many people will still be shocked and in a state of total denial about TV news media creating pure fiction. But they do Dave, they do, all the time. It’s standard protocol.

    Perhaps, in regards to evidence, you might want to look at the files of the 1000+ (yes, that’s right – over a thousand) lawyers who are currently working on the case brought by the famous human rights German lawyer Reiner Fullmich, or the case being brought against the WHO by the Indian bar (barristers). There are hundreds of other legal cases going through the motions around the world. Are you really suggesting that all those lawyers, and scientific and medical expert witnesses are planning to spend months or even years of their lives in going to court with NO EVIDENCE? Come on, get real!

    If you need visual evidence and witness testimonies, I suggest you start with https ://www.projectveritas.com/search/news/?query=covid&page=1
    I particularly recommend you watch their Series ‘COVID-19 vaccine exposed’. Starting with the following video:
    https ://www.projectveritas.com/news/federal-govt-whistleblower-goes-public-with-secret-recordings-government/

    The truth shall set you free, but it will indeed p*ss most people off first, particularly the heavily brainwashed. The good news is that there are now so many millions of people who have joined the awake few in the last two years, that the control system can never put that toothpaste back in the tube!

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    • Your “evidence” is Project Veritas. That would be this “Project Veritas“, the one described as …

    • …far-right[16] activist group founded by James O’Keefe in 2010.[20] The group produces deceptively edited videos[15] of its undercover operations,[7] which use secret recordings[7] in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups.[21][22] Project Veritas also uses entrapment[14] to generate bad publicity for its targets,[4] and has propagated disinformation[3] and conspiracy theories[30] in its videos and operations.
    • There is indeed a scam in play here.

      Hot tip: it’s not the media, it’s you.

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  5. I agree with Jack Socrates, the whistleblowers from BIG Pharma/Pfizer are nothing to be scoffed at. You also downplay YouTube and FB, well known social media platforms that many people have shared their adverse reactions on, from these horrific jabs. You use derogatory terms like wacky to try and get some strange point across.

    The owned media is in bed with these untrustworthy corporations promoting these jabs and silencing the injured from these experimental jabs. Just being the mouth piece puppets they are paid to be, all about getting their pay checks at the end of the day.

    The real reporters/doctors/scientists/biologists are suppressed, just like the real dangers of these vaccines causing terrible harm or death are also suppressed.

    Just ask Israel how they are adjusting to your well-proven vaccine?

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    • Sooooo…
      – There are supposed whistleblowers
      – You propose that YouTube and FB are “reliable”
      – There is some supposed grand conspiracy involving the media and Big Pharma to suppress the “real” evidence

      Evidence cited to validate any of this … nothing at all, nada.

      I remain unpersuaded.

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  6. Mmmmmm, interesting…. and rather disturbing.

    The author states: “Key Statement of Fact: COVID-19 vaccines authorised for use are not experimental and have all completed animal and clinical trials.”

    However, the US government seems to disagree:
    “AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine – estimated clinical trial completion date : February 14, 2023
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746

    “Moderna Covid-19 vaccine – estimated clinical trial completion date : December 2, 2021
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04811664

    “Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine – estimated clinical trial completion date : May 2, 2023
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728

    So what is it REALLY about?

    Well, if the author regards that the vaccines “have all completed clinical trials” is a KEY STATEMENT OF FACT, I guess the author must be getting his infomration from Facebook or Youtube. Personally, I get my information from reliable sources such as the offiical clinical trials data, and from real experts like nobel prize winning virologist Luc Montagnier who is currently taking the WHO to the International Criminal Court because of the lies and crimes of the last 2 years. I listen to genuine doctors who care about giving out information that is factual, like the great Dr. Mercola, and the thousands of eminent doctors and scientists who are not bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical industry. I guess that’s why I know the facts and am not spreading fake information and propaganda that has not been properly researched.

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    • Jack, a couple of points …
      – It is standard practise to continue to monitor long after Phase 3 clinical trials have completed … to use that monitoring as a basis for claiming that the vaccines are still “experimental” is dishonest
      – You cite Luc Montagnier. He might indeed have won the nobel prize for HIV, but he is also now actively promoting conspiracy theories that have been robustly refuted with evidence.
      – You cite Mercola (Why am I not surprised to find his name pop up) … he is a quack who simply uses fear to sell supplements. He is not be any measure “eminent”. The word you are looking for is “infamous”
      – You are yourself claiming some grand conspiracy by the pharmaceutical industry.

      You claimed “thousands of eminent doctors and scientists” yet the two names you offer turn out to be a quack and a COVID crank.

      Dig into anything and everything you offer up, and all we find is disinformation.

      Friendly Tip: Googling and regurgitating disinformation is not “research”.

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  7. I think you make a good point, though I won’t be taking it, because the risk to reward ratio just doesn’t justify the vaccine. The reason is simple: I caught the delta variant, and I mistook it for the common, harmless cold.

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