1. Bruce Moreland

    Someone on a website called “skeptical science” is posting this:

    “Some do indeed ponder the thought that this is really all about attention seeking or money. Perhaps they do this to provoke folks into going out and physically thumping them so that they can then sue them.”

    Does this kind of thing not seem both contrary to skepticism and to science?

    You’re just perpetuating vague rumor. “Some say” and “perhaps”. Is what you say true or not? How would you verify that it is true? Why did you not take the time to do this?

    In point of fact, I have been pursuing people who make this particular claim for the past six months, just because it seems like a fishy thing to say. If there is evidence for this, anywhere, that’s not just as suspect as the claim itself, I have not seen it, but it’s amazing how often people perpetuate this rumor.

    Isn’t “some say” and “perhaps” what we’re supposed to be *against*?

    Please provide a link to a case or an article involving a case where an individual hit a WBC member at a protest and was sued by them.

    I would love to be proven wrong. Please, back up your insinuations with fact.

    • Rob

      Really Bruce? You can figure out how to post a message but you can’t do a search? I’m in China at the moment where censorship of the web makes finding things difficult at time. Still, I was able to find a number of articles about those idiots. Here’s one that really irks me.

      “Here’s how the Westboro Baptist Church defends its protests in its lawsuit against St. Charles City:

      Plaintiffs are … members of WBC, which follows Primitive Baptist and Calvinist doctrines and believe that homosexuality is an abomination, integrally related to idolatry, and indicative of the final reprobation of individuals; it follows, according to their beliefs, that society’s acceptance of homosexuality not only invites, but provokes divine judgment. More specifically, they believe that God is punishing America for the sin of homosexuality and other policies that they believe promote sin by killing Americans, including Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines (hereinafter “soldiers”).

      Because of God’s omnipotence, which can cause or prevent tragedy, they believe that when misfortune strikes it is his wrath. Plaintiffs and other WBC members have long expressed their religious views by engaging in picketing. They have picketed at churches, theaters, parades, colleges, government buildings, religious conventions, and various other public events that they view as promoting homosexuality, idolatry, and other sin.

      For many years, they have also picketed near funerals of gay persons, persons who died from AIDS, people whose actions while alive supported homosexuality and other activities they consider proud sin, and people whose lifestyles they believe to be sinful but who are touted as heroic upon their death. Plaintiffs’ pickets are not disruptive or undertaken to disrupt or disturb a funeral or burial service.

      Plaintiffs’ purpose of picketing near funerals is to use an available public platform to publish their religious message that God’s promise of love and heaven for those who obey him in this life is counterbalanced by his wrath and hell for those who do not.

      The funerals of soldiers, in Plaintiffs’ view, have become an internationally watched platform where the question of whether God is cursing or blessing America is being publically discussed. Plaintiffs and WBC believe that scriptures teach that soldiers who die on the battlefield for a nation that is at enmity with God cannot go to heaven.

      Furthermore, contrary to the views of public figures and the public at large, such individuals are not heroes. Additionally, they observe that the lives, deaths, funerals, and public mourning of soldiers are topics of intense and detailed public discussion, with frequent lengthy media reports and routine commentary by public figures, including elected officials, clergy, military leaders, other leaders, and by members of the public.

      For this reason, it is imperative to Plaintiffs’ faith that the contradictory message from public figures and others on this public topic be balanced with scriptural truth at the time it is being uttered. Further, Plaintiffs and other WBC members believe that funerals, burials, and memorial services are times when the eyes, ears, and hearts of mankind are attending to matters of mortality and eternity.

      Plaintiffs and WBC believe it is too late for the dead, but not for the living to hear and heed their message. Also, they believe that one of the great sins of America is idolatry in the form of worshiping the human instead of God and that, in America, this has taken the form of intense worship of the dead, particularly soldiers.

      For all these reasons, the public fora surrounding certain funerals are the only place where Plaintiffs’ religious message can be delivered in a timely and relevant manner to those faced with the immediacy of mortality and eternity (i.e., those attending the funeral and to those participating in the public events and displays outside the funeral, as well as the public at large).”


  2. DaveGamble

    Bruce, stop being such a prat, this is an article about how to respond to their lunacy, it is not an article about what makes them tick financially, nor is it an article regarding their motives.

    If you actually bothered to google, you would find links such as this …
    or this …
    or even this …

    So yes, “Some do indeed ponder the thought that this is really all about attention seeking or money”.

    But to be quite frank, I don’t care, they are complete lunatics.

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