Daft Claim: Proof of Allah is apparently modern embryology in the Quran 13


Over on a Facebook page that claims to be a hangout for Muslims to debunk Atheism, one kook announced …

I am not dumping the scientific inventions… or discoveries… They are more proof that Islam is the true religion and Quran is the True of Allah…MANY SCIENTIST REVERTED TO ISLAM>>> when they found the same of their discoveries to have been told 1400 years ago in Quran… which would have been possible only by the CREATOR himself.

Well, how can anybody resist, I just had to ask, so I replied …

Ohhh a claim of evidence … proof … OK, give us just one single quote from the Quran that is a clear statement of modern science … note, the vague poetical stuff that has been twisted does not count, nor does a link to some YouTube clip … just the exact words from the Quran … if your claim is correct it should be simple to prove it.

And as you might expect, this is what came back:

THe best exapmle is Professor Keith Moore http://www.quranandscience.com/human/135-dr-keith-moore-confirms-embryology-in-quran.html

Yes indeed, that old chestnut. Just in case you are not familiar with this one, the claim here is that when presented with the detailed description of embryology in the Quran, Dr Keith Moore (a real embryologist) confirmed that it was amazing, aligns with our modern understanding and so must be from Allah.

Dr. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D., F.I.A.C. of the Department of Anatomy, University of Toronto, Canada, has become a favorite of Islamic apologists ever since he accepted an invitation to produce a special edition of his Embryology Text Book specifically for use by Muslim students in Islamic Universities.

To justify what he wrote, he liberally translates Arabic into terms that no Arabic speaker would consider justified, he also completely ignores the timing of phases dictated by the hadith he pretends is accurate, when in reality it is not.

Why did he do this? Easy $$$ He was quite well paid by the Saudi government for the use of his name.

This all has a couple of interesting additional notes …

  1. Moore is not a Muslim and so this evidence of a miracle did not convince him, so why should it convince us?
  2. The Acknowledgments for this book recognize a number of “distinguished scholars” who supported the book with time or money. And number 6 on the list? Osama bin Laden. (Yikes!!)
  3. If you buy Moore’s sixth edition University textbook called “The developing human”, he actually directs his readers to read an essay by Basim Musallam, who shows that the Koran merely echoes what Greek doctor “Galen” wrote 450 years earlier. (B. Musallam (Cambridge, 1983) Sex and Society in Islam. p. 54)

Now another interesting development on this topic concerns Hamza Andreas Tzortzis. Yep, the guy who cornered PZ Myers last June with a camera crew at the AAI conference in Dublin and made this exact same claim … embryology in the Quran proves Allah is real. When PZ dismissed all that, he was told, “Who are you to dismiss Keith Moore, a real embryologist” … and it is then that PZ explains that he is in fact an embryologist. I blogged about all that last June here. There you can still find the actual video made by the Muslims as well.

OK, the latest news is that Hamza has written a 58 page paper on all this to present his claim in great detail, and PZ read it and then blogged a few comments

I have read the entirety of Hamza Andreas Tzortzis’ paper, Embryology in the Qur’an: A scientific-linguistic analysis of chapter 23: With responses to historical, scientific & popular contentions, all 58 pages of it (although, admittedly, it does use very large print). It is quite possibly the most overwrought, absurdly contrived, pretentious expansion of feeble post hoc rationalizations I’ve ever read. As an exercise in agonizing data fitting, it’s a masterpiece.

Here, let me give you the short version…and I do mean short. This is a paper that focuses with obsessive detail on all of two verses from the Quran. You heard me right: the entirety of the embryology in that book, the subject of this lengthy paper, is two goddamned sentences, once translated into English.

We created man from an essence of clay, then We placed him as a drop of fluid in a safe place. Then We made that drop of fluid into a clinging form, and then We made that form into a lump of flesh, and We made that lump into bones, and We clothed those bones with flesh, and later We made him into other forms. Glory be to God the best of creators.

Seriously, that’s it. You have just mastered all of developmental biology, as taught by Mohammed.

You can go read his full take-down on it all here … its hilarious, and truly does illustrate how completely decoupled true believers can be from reality, or as PZ puts it …

Only a blinkered fanatic could turn that mush into an overwrought, overextended, overblown, strained comparison with legitimate modern science. Tzortzis’s paper is risible crackpottery.


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13 thoughts on “Daft Claim: Proof of Allah is apparently modern embryology in the Quran

  • Tayyab

    (Professor) Dr. Emeritus Keith Moore:

    If I was an agnostic or I didn’t strongly believe in God I would accept Islam. But since my father was a minister and I was raised as a strong Christian, I will remain a Christian.

  • NickB

    It’s just struck me that, given the number of wives he had and the penchant for killing foes and taking their women folk, he probably could have had access to a fair number of miscarriages. That would have easily given insight into stages of foetal development.

  • mikr

    Hi
    Thanks for replying re. Our ‘Pork etc’ discussion
    Please
    I know it’s hard
    And you’ve probably been a Muslim since birth
    Dropping or even revising/reforming set ideas can upset a person!
    But….
    The essays you sent soundrd to me like the stuff I sometimes read from, say, jehovas witnesses or mormons or evangelist christians
    WHACKY in other words!
    PLEASE read this ‘reply’ to the Moore embryology article with an open mind
    Mike
    ps and the ‘evidence’ certainly didn’t convince Moore
    He remains an Atheist!

    • Sufia

      Islam is a complete code of life . Islam manifest and flourish inshallah, because it is a true religion.Quranic verses are preserved and are in its original form since its time of revelation. Allah ( God) has preserved it in the heart of people. Scientist , intellectuals and truly guided people take guidance from it . May Allah give mankind guidance and bring all of us together . Islam is open for criticism and we accept criticism.

      • Георгий

        Sufia, I have often heard the saying “preserved and in its original for since its time of revelation”. Though there is some dispute that there were several different versions of Quran in the past, what is of more importance is that, while words may be the same, it is the meanings of words that change with time. For example, I have tried to read some of Shakespeare, but frankly cannot get the meanings he intended (other linguists tell us what he really meant). And Shakespeare’s writings are not as old. A complete code of life? Are you aware that Muhammad received “special privileges” so that he and he alone was exempt from the complete code of life? Even one of his wives, Aisha, (he had many more wives than allotted others), even she noticed that he seemed to be granted his every wish when he but asked of Allah

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