Claim: “Islam light”, the secular version, is nice and also historical 5

There is an interesting and thought-provoking article is today’s UK Guardian. , the director of British Muslims for Secular Democracy writes about a new paper by Ishtiaq Hussain, published by Faith Matters. In this he outlines how the Ottoman sultans, or caliphs, in the 18th and 19th centuries took a very secular approach.

OK, before we go any further, I’d like to lay out my personal position. I’m a non-believer and suspect that if I compared notes with these folks, I’d soon be criticising their irrational beliefs. So why am I telling you about this paper? Well because the claims being made are not as factual as claimed when you consider what really happened, here is the core from the Guardian article …

Ottoman sultans, or caliphs, in the 18th and 19th centuries launched secular schools and promoted the education of women. The period of reformation known as the Tanzimat saw customary and religious laws being replaced in favour of secular European ones. More surprisingly, homosexuality was decriminalised in 1858 (long before many western states took their cue, and over a century before the American Psychiatric Association declassified it as a mental illness in 1973). Contrary to the claims of hardline groups, religious authorities approved many of these measures. In terms of broader social change, the Ottomans made strong attempts to integrate non-Muslim communities. On the cultural front, it is well-known that a minority of people claim that Islam frowns upon artistic expression. However, the last sultan/caliph, Abdulmecid Efendi (1922-1924) has numerous paintings on display in Istanbul’s new museum of modern art; many others were also keen musicians and played a variety of musical instruments.

OK, the key point: much of the above, while factual, does not reflect the daily reality for people, it is a view that is cherry-picking the nice bits for some religious PR, and ignores the broader landscape. Here is a brief reality check:-

  • The Tanzimat reforms happened, but they were largely negated by the fierce opposition of the religious authorities. Many of the proposed reforms, including an elected Parliament and full equality for Jews and Christians were blocked and did not happen … ever. The Religious conservatives also managed to get the Chief Reformer, Mustafa Resid, dismissed
  • Being Gay was indeed decriminalised, but slavery, polygamy and harems continued well into the 19th Century. It should also be no surprise to learn that Muslim leaders were strongly opposed to their abolition.
  • It is also true that the public slave markets were indeed closed down in the 1840s, However, the reason for this was not because Islam was reforming, but rather due to the pressure being imposed by other European nations.
  • The claim that the Ottoman’s were truly secular also fails when you consider that they deployed Islam as a tool of the state. For example, the Sultans declared a Jihad against the Italians in 1911 and also against the allies in 1914.
  • I should also point out that this supposedly kinder gentler form of Islamic secularism was responsible for one of the largest mass murders of European history, next only to the Holocaust.  It was Genocide on a massive scale, in 1915 they slaughtered 1.5 million Armenians
  • The author also claims that secular law prevailed and that sharia took a backseat. This is factually incorrect, the Religious authorities were able to successfully ensure that Sharia was maintained on an equal footing with secular law.
  • Regarding the claim, “the Ottomans made strong attempts to integrate non-Muslim communities“. That is indeed true, but what the author then fails to mention is that all such attempts to integrate non-Muslims into the Empire failed.
  • The claim that the Ottoman’s promoted the education of woman is also not true. The Secular education of girls only started when the secular-minded Young Turks took power.

In summary, the claims that the Ottoman’s practiced “Islam light” and was truly secular does not withstand any serious analysis.

I do appreciate that people often need to let go of irrational beliefs in steps and sometimes cannot digest complete rejection as one whole lump. This is perhaps because some believers need to be able to utilize a de-compression chamber similar to this form of “Islam light” as they rise from the depths of extreme irrationality … that is what often happens. However, make no mistake, it is not an end-game to be endorsed, but just a stepping stone that helps folks out, nothing more.

There are of course clear extremes that we can offer very obvious valid criticism of … stoning, anti-gay, anti-music, no woman drivers, anti-anybody-not-them, etc… but even the moderate supposedly secular form of “Islam Light” is irrational. The claim that a supernatural entity imparted special unique knowledge to a chosen 7th century nomad does not have one jot of evidence to support it,

Folks should of course be free to believe whatever they wish and also free to practice their beliefs in whatever way they want, however, while the extreme forms of such beliefs should never be permitted to impose their nonsense on anybody, the more moderate forms should not be surprised when silly claims are challenged … not just the supernatural claims, but also claims that Islam light is all warm and fuzzy and the Ottomans lived in some form of secular paradise.


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5 thoughts on “Claim: “Islam light”, the secular version, is nice and also historical

  • James

    Dave – After 1909, the Ottoman Sultans were merely nominal figureheads with actual power resting with the Young Turks. The research paper is very good but perhaps the Guardian article should have been a little clearer about the timeline.

  • Dave Gamble Post author

    James you are quite correct, the Armenian massacre was indeed committed under the leadership of the Young Turks in 1915 … I linked to an article all about that, and specified the date.

    However, as explained, the posting is being critical of the Guardian article by Tehmina Kazi, not the paper. In her article she quite clearly includes this period … for example in her third paragraph, she claims .. *”the last sultan/caliph, Abdulmecid Efendi (1922-1924) has numerous paintings”*

  • James

    Dave – The Armenian massacre was committed under the leadership of the Young Turks in 1915. The article and research paper are discussing the ‘Tanzimat’ period which was from 1839-1976.

    The aim of the paper is to challenge the Islamist perception of the Ottoman Empire!

    Do read the actual paper as well.

  • Dave Gamble Post author

    James … the posting above relates directly to an article in the UK’s Guardian by Tehmina Kazi. In it many claims are made regarding the Ottomans. It is the claims in that article that are being addressed.

    To quote your own words … “Read properly before writing about something next time.”

  • James

    I’ve read the research paper and your article above and I have to say that you’ve not understood the point of the paper. All the research paper is saying is that the militant Islamist understanding of the Ottoman Empire is totally wrong. The Ottomans may have been implementing some sharia laws but they weren’t applied as strictly as groups such as Al-Qaeda make it out they were.

    Read properly before writing about something next time.